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Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Post by jquery »

jojobas wrote: post #426
ffgjgf1 wrote: post #396

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Maybe. These patents seem pretty trivial though. > Masimo has been on the cutting edge of pulse-oximetry Maybe because they built an artificial patent moat around themselves and no other company can compete?

Patents expire in 25 years. Either they innovate as hell or you can just verbatim reproduce their model from 25 years ago and compete, you can't have it both ways. Philips and Siemens, of all companies, decided to partner and license the technology, and Apple decided they can toss them around.

25 years is the length of an entire career, what the actual hell, patents should last for 3-7 years at the most, if they exist at all (they're mostly an outdated, garbage relic system that doesn't encourage innovation anymore and is simply used to keep smaller players out of markets)

Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Post by simondotau »

freejazz wrote: post #453
simondotau wrote: post #413

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Your line of argumentation seems specious. If you have evidence to show that making compliance more efficient encourages non-compliance, I'd like to see it. It seems to me that if a corporation is inclined to knowingly abuse a small inventor's patent, they'll do so regardless of how efficient the compliance process is. Perhaps I don't know the basic dynamics of patent litigation. You're an expert, could you enlighten…

>Perhaps I don't know the basic dynamics of patent litigation. You're an expert, could you enlighten me? Yeah, FRAND is pro-big business. It removes the upper limit on damages, i.e. minimizes the risk a business faces by infringing, which therefore minimizes any incentive to license a patent. It also reduces the incentive for a patentee to enforce their patent, as it takes ~$2-3m to litigate against a company like Ap…

If you have evidence to show that making compliance more efficient encourages non-compliance, I'd like to see it.

And yeah, I’m using the word compliance in the straightforward, obvious way. If that’s a problem for you, I don’t think this discussion is ever going to be useful.

Think about it. If legislation can make FRAND mandatory, it can also make the penalties sufficiently unfavourable to large corporations. Perhaps, and I’m just spitballing here, back pay for non-compliance could have a defined multiplier. Then there could be an additional multiplier for non-compliance after the date a complaint is made by the patent holder. And a further additional multiplier for non-compliance if the corporation has revenues over $100 million annually.

That’s literally the first idea that came to my dumbass ignorant head and I’m sure there’s a dozen much better ones out there. The key point is that the system can be built in such a way that a patent holder doesn’t need a team of lawyers with clever tricks to be entitled to favourable outcomes. Standardise it all and you reduce the dynamic range of advantage between parties of different size.

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Post by paledot »

asdefghyk wrote: post #467
rickdeckard wrote: post #330

Not the most neutral article. Worth to note that is not just some obscure small company coming out of nowhere to capitalize from Apple. Masimo is a decades-old medical equipment company, with several developments and patents for non-invasive PPG. Apple is obviously well-aware of their developments, and was in touch with them already in 2013, more than a year before the launch of the Apple Watch. From the actual lawsu…

RE ...increadabilly scummy....., - Microsoft and Bill Gates used to pull similar tricks for new tech they wanted ....

That is also incredibly scummy. Your point?

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Post by paledot »

behnamoh wrote: post #444
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I wish Apple didn't do the rotate thing though. I never ever want to rotate the map, and I do it by mistake a lot. It's infuriating and useless.

I wish the rubber band effect could be disabled. When scrolling, I always have to wait a second for the bouncing effect to stop before I can tap on things. It happens in every app.

Android's equivalent can be disabled with the "reduced motion" toggle in the accessibility settings. You also lose a bunch of other totally extraneous animations in the process, boo hoo. Perhaps the same is possible on iPhone?

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Post by jquery »

BenFranklin100 wrote: post #273
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> It's a feature that isn't important or necessary for the vast majority of people. Do you have data on this? I think it's a pretty big deal.

If one has a serious health condition that affects blood oxygen levels, pulse oximetry can be useful. For the average healthy person, the medical value is very little to nil. Uses of pulse oximetry: https://www.healthline.com/health/pulse-oximetry#purpose-and... Most of the above conditions listed above occur in very sick people already under close medical supervision, with the exception of asthma. But even in asthma…

Anyone can get pneumonia and it's useful for telling if you need urgent medical care. That's no gimmick.

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Post by schneems »

bdowling wrote: post #305
schneems wrote: post #278

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I think they were asking for something like Creative Commons for patents. Prior to CC anyone could write a note that says “free to use” but then you would need a lawyer to do due diligence and scan each with a fine toothed comb. The value of CC is it normalized all of that so the economy around using the free thing got easier. Yes publishing work will allow you to bring it up as a defendant. But by the time you’re ca…

If you are actually sued for patent infringement, then it means you've got deep pockets to pay a judgment or settlement. In other words, you're probably making a ton of money. It's a good position to be in.

That’s…not true. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.

Patent trolls often go after individuals and small firms specifically because they can get them to settle as they cannot afford a legal fight. Most make the bulk of their money by without ever getting any judgements.

It’s essentially a legal-system backed shakedown.

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Post by fomine3 »

rickdeckard wrote: post #376
caslon wrote: post #366

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Why is it scummy? Hiring people to produce goods or services and compensating them based on the value of their knowledge and abilities is sort of the entire value pitch of capitalism, and it's unlikely anyone would have moved over to Apple if the compensation wasn't more worthwhile to them.

They attempted to acquire a specific tech of Masimo, but changed their approach to hiring key resources of it instead of partnering with the company (or acquiring (parts of) it). The aftermath is this lawsuit, which illustrates that Apple needed their hires to build something that was already existing in Masimo and would have been subject of that partnership. I'm sure this "brainrape" strategy often works flawlessly,…

Looks like another PowerVR case

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Post by rickdeckard »

prepend wrote: post #464
rickdeckard wrote: post #424

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The point is not that employees left. The point is that Apple had Masimo describe their tech, the issues and methods they developed to solve them, and Apple walked away to rebuild Masimo's solution. They succeeded, but unfortunately for them the methods were already patented IP of Masimo, that company which explained this whole field to Apple in first place. The fact that Apple hired Masimo staff to do so is just the…

That’s still not rape as no employees were forced to do anything against their will. Making large offers to attract employees isn’t even unethical or illegal, much less anyone near rape.

Brain Rape, Definition:

Intellectual property robbery thinly disguised as acquisition talk. Usually committed by a big company on a startup.

https://svdictionary.com/words/brain-rape

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Post by tomcam »

paledot wrote: post #473
asdefghyk wrote: post #467

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RE ...increadabilly scummy....., - Microsoft and Bill Gates used to pull similar tricks for new tech they wanted ....

That is also incredibly scummy. Your point?

I think the theme is, scummy

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Post by hulitu »

matwood wrote: post #433
rickdeckard wrote: post #376

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They attempted to acquire a specific tech of Masimo, but changed their approach to hiring key resources of it instead of partnering with the company (or acquiring (parts of) it). The aftermath is this lawsuit, which illustrates that Apple needed their hires to build something that was already existing in Masimo and would have been subject of that partnership. I'm sure this "brainrape" strategy often works flawlessly,…

Or like a lot of technology it quickly ages. What's more important are the minds that created said technology and will have the future ideas. This is why tech companies pay a lot and grant a lot of stock. They are trying to align their incentives not just what employees create today, but what they create tomorrow using what they learned. I don't know much about Masimo but they appear to be operating like an old schoo…

> What's more important are the minds that created said technology and will have the future ideas

You mean like Leslie Lamport who was "bought" by Microsoft ? Or former X windows developers who created Wayland ?

A lot of minds create once. Then live to exploit their creation.

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