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The pro-Israel information war

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Post by xkekjrktllss »

Affric wrote: post #425
instaeloq wrote: post #307

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I think your interpretation is wrong. OP stated: "If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views". They're explicitly stating that they believe pro-palestinian views are prioritized.

> “If anything” This is an important clause here. It means that they do not believe that pro-Israel views are prioritised but __if__ any it is the case that there are prioritised views are pro-Palestinian views. Now, you could argue that this is a bad faith rhetorical device but it is not “explicitly stating that they believe pro-Palestinian views are prioritised”.

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Post by makapuf »

sabarn01 wrote: post #189
sertbdfgbnfgsd wrote: post #27

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> Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms. > If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views. That platforms prioritize one over the other is just one possible explanation. An alternative explanation is that more people already have those views. And it's dishonest to present one explanation and omit the other. N…

There is an ocean of injustice in the world and this one issue causes more anger than many that are equally abhorrent.

I don't know if this is really the right word being non native but this seems like whataboutism. Sorry if it is a too loaded term, but it does seem to fit. The fact that there are many other injustice does not make it less of it.

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Post by etchalon »

robertoandred wrote: post #349
etchalon wrote: post #186

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If the conditions in Gaza continue as they have for multiple generations now, the eradication of Hamas will just beget the founding a different group with the same approach, or near to.

The conditions in Gaza are the result of Hamas and similar groups. Israel ended their occupation of Gaza twenty years ago and dragged Israelis out. Israel invested in Gaza infrastructure, but Hamas ripped it out and used it to make weapons. Israel allowed Gazans to work in Israel, who then told Hamas where to attack. Israel tried ceasefire after ceasefire, but Hamas just sent suicide bombers and rockets. And when as…

Whatever the reasons for the conditions, you have a large population of people who lack control of their own fate. Historically, those populations don't quiet down and accept it.

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Post by neilv »

I don't know what's going on, and I wonder who actually has accurate information.

Speaking as an early online person, who has long believed in the democratizing power and goodness potential of the Internet... Contemporary "social media" are usually wastelands, both of rampant manipulation, and of people who haven't yet learned critical thinking nor even seen much examples of same.

I would like to call for there to once again be eminently credible and respected journalists, academics, and officials, who research and understand various global situations, and report accurate assessments that people can trust.

Trustworthy experts could answer immediate questions, and also show everyone else by example, how to think and speak better, to answer future questions.

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Post by wolverine876 »

givemeethekeys wrote: post #254
wolverine876 wrote: post #226

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What is your specific assertion here? Are you saying something about the article? Does it demonstrate that this group has not suppressed pro-Palestine speech in places in the US? > there are 1 billion Muslims to 16 million Jews The vasty majority of Muslims are not in the US, the area relevant to the article. Also, to complicate things, afaik most Jewish Americans oppose Israel's right wing, especially the current go…

Take a wild guess how support changes when confronted by a major attack.

If you are saying that American Jewish people now support the Israeli government, that is not what I've seen. But I lack a poll or other evidence - do you have one?

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Post by john-radio »

Boogie_Man wrote: post #38

This article, more than making me feel one way or another about the particular issue at hand (Isreal Hamas) makes me speculate what other unknown, better coordinated, better funded, interest groups might be doing this sort of thing on a massive scale. I'm reminded of the "Come out - we have you surrounded" meme where the mentally insane man is hiding behind a desk with a shotgun screaming "Get out of my head" or "I h…

> what other unknown, better coordinated, better funded, interest groups might be doing this sort of thing on a massive scale.

There is no better-coordinated or -funded lobbying group than the military-industrial complex, which is, of course, all in on Israel.

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Post by [deleted] »

dijit wrote: post #333
cies wrote: post #289

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> equally abohorrent Comparing it to the Ukraine's invasion and we can see this is so much more "invasive". There's a literal wall around 2M ppl with little agency, while most of them are refugees from the other side of the wall. To methis is one of the most abohorrent conflicts in earth in this day and age. Given South Africa is no longer segregated, and Rwanda reconciled. I'd be interested to hear what's equally ab…

Gaza borders Egypt and the West Bank borders Jordan. If they are blockaded by the country that they cant get along with then it is at least partially on Egypt and Jordan that they are given no way out.

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Post by fxd123 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #466
fxd123 wrote: post #443

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> Recall that Palestine's goal is to eliminate all Jews. No, that's not Palestine’s goal. Its not even clearly the goal of the Palestinian Islamist extremist group Israel fostered specifically to have a less sympathetic enemy to deflect pressure for peace with Palestine to use as a pretext for perpetual war, though it may be, and whose fault is that?

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Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Post by Unfrozen0688 »

submeta wrote: post #342
jdross wrote: post #7

Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms. https://twitter.com/antgoldbloom/status/1721561226151612602 If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views https://twitter.com/committeeonccp/status/173279243496103143... It also seems like these platforms create (rather than support) anti-Israeli views: https://twitter.…

Well, that’s not a fair comparison. Palestinians may have a lot of muslims on their side, but the whole western world—-or more precisely: their media and people in power—-fully support anything Israel does. No consequences. Au contraire: Looking at Germany for instance, anyone remotely criticising Israel for even gross violations of international human rights or Geneva Conventions (for instance for withholding water,…

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Post by paganel »

This [1] is why the Palestinians are winning the information war among the people that still have a well-functioning soul. And, of course, the fact that the Tsahal has already annihilated thousands of Palestinians kids ("people under 18 years of age", to use the BBC euphemism) and is planning to annihilate thousands more.

[1] https://old.reddit.com/r/redscarepod/comments/18dp0jp/mental...

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