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Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by rdschouw »

tommerjones wrote: post #363
chalsprhebaodu wrote: post #355

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Where can I find these mini PCs? I am trying to find hardware for an upcoming project and I’m considering the Pi but would love to see some alternatives.

I’ve purchased a few HP Elitedesk 800 G3 Minis (refurbished) for about $125 on Amazon. They even come with Windows 10 if you’re looking for that. They’re a deal considering the Pi’s extra expenses like power, case, storage, etc.

Power consumption is a consideration though depending on your use case and setup. A Pi 4 draws about 3W on light load and these G3 Minis take 10-12W.

Of course if you deck out a Pi 4 with a SSD and a fan, it'll come much closer to the G3 Mini in terms of power consumption.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by alangibson »

l1k wrote: post #430
Chatting wrote: post #377

I question whether it's wise to launch a new product before the supply chain issues which have plagued Raspberry Pi for years have been fully resolved. Granted, the situation has improved slightly over the past few months. But you will still find Pi 4s out of stock more often than not. The CEO said last year not to expect a Pi 5 in 2023, because they wanted to take the time to recover. Why the u-turn? https://www.the…

The point here is likely to pull the rug out from under scalpers' feet. With the Raspberry Pi 5 out in two weeks, all the held-back inventory of older models will be dumped, prices will plummet, availability will become a non-issue. In that sense it's a wise move.

Mouser sold about 3000 Pi 4s in the last couple of weeks. I'm hoping a few scalpers are about to get seriously burned.

Interestingly Digikey has over 2000 left. I wonder if they are limiting quantities.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by _ea1k »

capableweb wrote: post #456

So with this PCIe 2.0 x1 port, would I be able to connect a GPU to this Raspberry? Would be very useful, even if the bandwidth would be horrible.

It has been attempted with the pi 4. I'm guessing it would be possible with the right drivers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9dItRUjQ0k

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by moffkalast »

nirav72 wrote: post #468
moffkalast wrote: post #217

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The NUC's GPIO header: crickets

That's a easy problem to solve - https://www.adafruit.com/product/2264 There are other cheaper boards for USB to GPIO out here as well.

It solves it, as much as adding a trailer to your sports car solves your problem of not having a pickup truck. It works, but it's very inconvenient.

Eventually those boards run into limitations and then you have to just opt to go with serial to a microcontroller which misses the entire point of having a SBC.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by Kon-Peki »

gempir wrote: post #149
0x073 wrote: post #128

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All laptop power supply with USB c have non removable USB c cables. Probably that no one can blame them for burning or low power with third party cables.

Ironically Apple uses detachable USB C Cable on their power supplies for their Macbooks

.. and their iPads (which is a better size for something like a Pi 4/5)

In fact, all of our USB-C power supplies around the house are Apple - Chromebooks, Thinkpads, etc. They don't break and the cables are detachable; whenever the junk that originally came with the device breaks, the Apple ones we have laying around are there to just work.

The small ones don't even have an Apple logo that you can see when plugged in, so if the idea of using Apple products bother you then go ahead and paint it, plug it in, and forget about it for a decade.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by wredue »

Archelaos wrote: post #447
stkdump wrote: post #143

No word on price. When Raspberry Pi first launched, this was the prime feature of the thing. Can we expect same price as the Raspberry Pi 4? (at the respective RAM level) Edit: found it here: https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/introducing-raspberry-pi-5/ So the 4 GB model is 60$, which is 5$ more than the 4 GB model of the Raspberry 4 when that was launched: https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/raspberry-pi-4-on-sale-now-.…

> I guess that is fair, especially with inflation nowadays. The accumulated inflation in the US since June 2019 is c. 17%.[1] This means US$ 55 in June 2019 is "worth" c. US$ 64.35 today. So it seems that you get a 4GB Raspi 5 for c. 7.25% less today. The "US Real Average Hourly Earnings" have increase by ca. 22% in the same period, from US$ 27.75 to US$ 33.82.[2] So an average person needs to work c. 12% less to buy…

Please stop using “average” for wage comparisons. It’s an utterly useless metric for showing if wages are moving or not.

If you must use average, then you should remove the top 5% from the average.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by mastax »

schappim wrote: post #427
qwertox wrote: post #301

A NVMe compatible M.2 M Key connector (like the Rock 5 Model B [0] has) would have been really nice. I'm starting to accumulate old but good, yet small in storage space terms NVMe's which I'm no longer needing, but which would be perfect for a Raspi. Even if the PCIe bus were an older generation and not as performant as the NVMe. The microSD card slot is really great to have, to get up-and-running, but once it's clea…

This would limit you to just connect SSDs. Their solution opens up more versatile access to other PCIe devices.

In addition to the ability to adapt M.2 slots into PCIe via an inexpensive adapter, there is a growing ecosystem of M.2 cards for most of the things you'd use a PCIe card for. USB controllers, SATA controllers, Ethernet controllers, FPGAs, even display adapters.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by giancarlostoro »

meragrin_ wrote: post #467
michaeltimo wrote: post #438

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Finding older models were also almost impossible in the past two years. It's unlikely that Raspberry Pi 5 will solve the issue. But even so, it's not a wise move because what is the point of bringing a new model when they can't make it available to normal people?

> they can't make it available to normal people I guess you haven't been looking recently? I can go to a local store and pick one up. It looks easy to pick up one online too. https://rpilocator.com/

I think I've seen Pi Kits at my local target. The issue with those is, they're for niche things I might not care about and now I got tech waste on my hands, but also might not be the exact model I want.

Note I'm not disagreeing, just saying in some cases, the ones in-store are kits.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by ranting-moth »

glimshe wrote: post #348

Rasbperry Pis are losing their competitive edge for non-embedded applications to sub $150 mini PCs, which support Linux/Windows and will come with enclosure, NVMe slot, power button etc. The mini PCs are also generally much faster.

Interesting. Do you have any links for mini PCs like that?

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by dboreham »

alskdj21 wrote: post #358
chalsprhebaodu wrote: post #355

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Where can I find these mini PCs? I am trying to find hardware for an upcoming project and I’m considering the Pi but would love to see some alternatives.

You can check some Beelinks or some other Chinese brands over Amazon. Note that I haven't used any of them tho I'm considering getting one.

I have a few of these that we use to test "low hardware resource" deployment scenarios, running Ubuntu. So far so good.
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