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Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by cglong »

bastardoperator wrote: post #413
runjake wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Context? Homebrew is working fine on Sonoma here. I do not get that or a similar message.

Apparently hating on homebrew is super popular right now. I run brew on osx and linux and have zero issues.

The Homebrew UX is great as long as you're on their happy path. Speaking from experience, as soon as I see the warning message I shared at the top, Homebrew gets way worse.

For instance, installing ripgrep now requires building the latest version of Rust from source, which takes three hours per Rust version; installing Pandoc requires building and storing the whole GHC; etc.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by pxc »

adastra22 wrote: post #423
FabHK wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 4. Mac OS X 10.2 (Jaguar) - 2002 Or “Jagwire”, as Steve Jobs said: https://youtu.be/nXJsS4B42_Q?t=708

That's how Jaguar is pronounced in American English.

I've never heard someone pronounce it that way in my life until I saw the video. Maybe it's a regional thing, but it sounds like the wrong vowel sound at the end to me.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by pfranz »

lathiat wrote: post #449
pedalpete wrote: post #421

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Notice how Android clearly was alphabetical, until they realised people weren't getting that (or got sick of coming up with names of sugary foods), and went back to the number system. Mac has not gone with alphabetical, but seemingly random names related to cats or places in California.

Various projects do the Alphabetical thing. If you're going to have names, it's a great way to do it. OpenStack, Ceph & Ubuntu all do that. However it's still a challenge. I work with all of those daily and I often think about the project over-all and it's features or bugs in terms of the alphabetical name, but there is also a numerical name and I have to lookup and translate from it - when looking at diagnostic outp…

Just think of how fast you'll be with a1z26 ciphers!

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by walteweiss »

baz00 wrote: post #451
reacharavindh wrote: post #441

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I love OpenBSD…… as a server particularly as a DNS or a network gateway with pf as a firewall. But, I cannot fathom how using OpenBSD on a Desktop/Laptop for personal computing would NoT enrage me everyday. The things I’d do on my personal computer : 1. Browse all bloated modern websites using a modern web browser - Firefox 2. Work with photos(personal) - edit them, crop them to share with someone, markup screenshots…

I haven't touched OpenBSD for a few years if I'm honest but one of the things that did not enrage me about it was that it didn't nag me to change anything once I'd got it working properly. I suspect that's part of it. There is a clear separation of OS and applications. Regarding all the other stuff I remember it mostly just worked. But of course that is within the realms of the particular package actually working in…

On Linux, I enjoy the idea that all the software can be interchanged. So there is no separation between the system and user installed software. For me, it’s difficult to grasp the minimalism of those other systems. When you clearly have your system as a rock that you cannot modify. I have very little experience (some theoretical and none practical) with BSDs, but it pains me there is a base system for macOS with an absolutely unused and not needed software, like Chess.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by mrmattyboy »

pedalpete wrote: post #249

Does anyone else have no idea what macOS version is which? Which came first? Is there some hidden naming protocol that I just don't grasp? I've only started using a mac part-time while I've been developing an iOS app over the past few weeks, and I keep seeing different names for the OS version. I have no idea what version I'm on, or if Big Sur came before Sierra, or what. I know I could look it up, but it seems that…

I do wonder the longevity of alphabet-based naming...

It _sort of_ reminds me of a time I spoke to a colleague and said I wanted to try a project (only a couple of years ago) that required Red Hat Linux 5 and he said "oh sure, here's some CDs" and realised, "nope, not RHEL" (to which the response was.. "oh, here be dragons")..

If you loop the alphabet and I reckon you'll inevitably get confusion.

"Hey, Android Juniper has been released" - "Ah cool, I can upgrade from Ice-cream".. "oh no, wait, mine's 27 releases old!".. "No, sorry, it's actually 53 releases old"

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by prmoustache »

kstrauser wrote: post #11
zitterbewegung wrote: post #2

I’ve been on the release candidates and the OS is very stable and I haven’t found any major breakages or random crashes . Also, homebrew has been working great and lots of other open source software S

Same for me, mostly. I had bumped into problems with apps I use: * Little Snitch needs a nightly build (status: fixed) * SoundSource doesn't work (status: fixed) * SpamSieve v2 doesn't work because Mail.app removed plugin support in favor of extensions. (status: SpamSieve v3 is out now and works) * Marked 2 broke on docs shorter than 999 visible bytes (status: still broken. Workaround: BBEdit text filter to add a bun…

"doesn't work (status: fixed)"

What the hell does that mean? If it is fixed, doesn't it means it works?

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by walteweiss »

cglong wrote: post #188

So it goes... Warning: You are using macOS 11. We (and Apple) do not provide support for this old version. It is expected behaviour that some formulae will fail to build in this old version. It is expected behaviour that Homebrew will be buggy and slow. Do not create any issues about this on Homebrew's GitHub repositories. Do not create any issues even if you think this message is unrelated. Any opened issues will be…

I see other replies as well, but I just want to tell you guys I came here to recommend mac ports. It’s a shame brew is so popular and mac ports having only a fraction of that attention.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by handsclean »

FullyFunctional wrote: post #340
mfiguiere wrote: post #89

Complete list of new features in macOS Sonoma: https://www.apple.com/macos/sonoma/pdf/macOS_All_New_Feature...

I wonder how atypical I am as there was literally nothing in the list I cared about. In particular the widgets seems unfathomably pointless. I don't even use them on the phone, but at least there I can kind of see the point. Meanwhile there's still no support for AV1.

This release does add AV1 support, just only for devices with hardware decoding support [1]. I’m not entirely sure that restriction applies to desktop as well as mobile, it doesn’t work on my Mac without hardware support even after enabling the disabled feature flags, but I only upgraded Safari, not macOS.

Hardware-only is the right move IMO. Literally earlier today I was dealing with stuttering video that turned out to be caused by Chrome putting me on a software implementation of a “better” codec. These new codecs are only better on devices that can run them without stuttering, heating up, and chewing through battery.

[1]: https://webkit.org/blog/14445/webkit-features-in-safari-17-0...

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by threatofrain »

pupppet wrote: post #211

Every time a new MacOS version is announced the 1Password staff must be all sitting around praying Apple doesn't add any more bells and whistles to Keychain.

Consumer password management companies compete on the multi-device angle, including Android and Windows. That's not something Apple's going to touch for awhile.

Apple is also certainly not going to touch the more enterprise aspects of password management.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by WesolyKubeczek »

jonhohle wrote: post #386
cglong wrote: post #188

So it goes... Warning: You are using macOS 11. We (and Apple) do not provide support for this old version. It is expected behaviour that some formulae will fail to build in this old version. It is expected behaviour that Homebrew will be buggy and slow. Do not create any issues about this on Homebrew's GitHub repositories. Do not create any issues even if you think this message is unrelated. Any opened issues will be…

Come over to MacPorts. It’s friendlier over here and stuff is supported and no one uses words like formulae.

They use Tcl, though, but I guess there is always bound to be an abomination in every project…
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