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A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the fridge I own now

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Re: A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the fridge I own now

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I'm pretty sure that the reason they stopped getting made was influx of dramatically cheaper toasters, at a time when the idea of paying top dollar for premium kitchen tools was not very common. I'm also pretty sure that fixing all of your issues would not be hard with a modern re-design. It would just result in a ~$100+ toaster. The crazy thing is is that _there are more expensive toasters than that_, that are basic…

Toasters are one of the more obvious appliances to show how bad things have become. Outside of getting one of those conveyor-belt continuous restaurant toasters, I simply cannot find a new toaster at any price point that does a good job of making toast. Even low-end toasters from the '60s outperform high-end toasters these days.

Remember when a complimentary toaster was the gimmick that banks offered to new customers opening an account? I believe that the toaster was also a very stereotypical wedding gift, as well.

Re: A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the fridge I own now

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This video from technology connections shows exactly the same but with microwaves, specifically one from 1997. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiS27feX8o0 What I don't understand is, you have done the development, the cost of the rest of things is marginal. Why don't keep giving those features into all microwaves manufactured by the same company?

Don't forget the obligatory and very obvious hour-long video about a vintage fridge that "broke him": https://youtu.be/8PTjPzw9VhY

Re: A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the fridge I own now

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I have also wondered if internet-connected fridges use more electricity. Having a computer and touchscreen and wifi collecting data 24/7 and sending it to samsung can't be cheap power-wise.

> Having a computer and touchscreen and wifi collecting data 24/7 and sending it to samsung can't be cheap power-wise. I would probably estimate that those additional components consume about as much power as a typical low-powered laptop, or about ~20W. You're likely not going to be paying more than $1/month for that, electricity wise.

Fridges I looked at recently are pretty efficient already, the tag said $60/year

Re: A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the fridge I own now

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But that's the thing. We don't want today's gadgets. We don't need internet connected fridges, apps and other breakable IoTs. We just want more usable fridges.

I have also wondered if internet-connected fridges use more electricity. Having a computer and touchscreen and wifi collecting data 24/7 and sending it to samsung can't be cheap power-wise.

An internet-connected fridge might use a tiny amount of additional electricity (probably a couple watts when active, and much less when idle, which should be most of the time).

But this is dwarfed by the massive improvements in refrigerator efficiency over the last 70 years. A modern refrigerator uses less than a third of the energy of a 1960's-era fridge while also having considerably more space for food.

Re: A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the fridge I own now

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Toasters are one of the more obvious appliances to show how bad things have become. Outside of getting one of those conveyor-belt continuous restaurant toasters, I simply cannot find a new toaster at any price point that does a good job of making toast. Even low-end toasters from the '60s outperform high-end toasters these days.

Remember when a complimentary toaster was the gimmick that banks offered to new customers opening an account? I believe that the toaster was also a very stereotypical wedding gift, as well.

And blankets. My dad did marketing for a bank years ago. We have lots of blankets (!). I don't remember the toaster as I do the blankets, but I do know they were premiums.

Re: A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the fridge I own now

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These are valid points, yet anecdotally it seems like modern fridges are less reliable and require more frequent replacement. Old fridges were "inefficient" because they didn't have an integrated variable speed motor and control board. But modern fridges seem to suffer a critical failure of some mysterious component 2 months after their warranty expires. This component can only be fixed by replacing the entire contro…

I mean I don’t know how serious you are, but I am when I say I have a list in my notes of “appliances I might eventually need someday and should buy when I have spare cash before they won’t be available without a computer anymore”.

My list also includes some light research on when various brands tanked their quality either for profit or to keep their price stable under inflation. Lava Lamp, for example did it in 2003.

Re: A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the fridge I own now

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I used to deliver and install appliances. My experience is approximately the same as yours. About half the time the old fridge broke, the other half is for upgrades or something when the old fridge still works. Or because the easily replaceable and still working fan makes some noises sometimes. That fridge is now in my kitchen.

It's amazing what working stuff people will throw out simply because it's out of fashion, or failed in some easily repairable way. You can outfit an entire house with furniture, appliances, and electronics from the dumpster outside of a vain/impatient person's apartment.

A replacement for the dented door for my 9-year-old fridge costs more than I paid for the whole thing originally. Some repairs are not that economical compared to a shiny new model with a fresh warranty. It's not my instinct (and I have the skinned knuckles from a fraught dishwasher heater pump swap to show for it), but I can see that the inflated spares prices, shipping, labour and call out fees if you can't DIY, hassle of locating the parts if second-hand (good luck figuring out the model numbers, there are thousands and thousands of subtle differences), transporting the thing if it can't be fixed in place, etc etc, do add up to Beyond Economical Repair for some people.

Re: A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the fridge I own now

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70 years ago a fridge would cost $250-$400 - about a months salary, that's about $4k in todays money. If you pay $4k for a fridge instead of $400 today you can get one with a fair amount of gadgets too.

My fridge is like 10k but it has massive design flaws

You paid $10,000 for a fridge? What restaurant do you live in?

Re: A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the fridge I own now

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Wait is this actually better? It's well presented in the ad but: - that removable veggie holder in the door looks crazy heavy and super awkward to put back in place (lining up at a sharp angle while gripping likely slick sides) - you have to open the refrigerator door to get at the freezer - the door compartments are narrow and probably can't handle odd sized containers - the shelves have holes in them so anything th…

> the shelves have holes in them so anything that drips off that uncovered plate of food gets all over everything below it

My childhood fridge had wire shelves. The most common problem was when mom's sourdough starter would get frisky and blow the lid off its plastic container, spreading starter goo to all sorts of things. Seemed to happen at least once a year.

Re: A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the fridge I own now

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But that's the thing. We don't want today's gadgets. We don't need internet connected fridges, apps and other breakable IoTs. We just want more usable fridges.

I have also wondered if internet-connected fridges use more electricity. Having a computer and touchscreen and wifi collecting data 24/7 and sending it to samsung can't be cheap power-wise.

Overall, I'm sure even with today's widgets, it's going to use less electricity than the geriatric fridge featured.
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