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Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by bnralt »

rblatz wrote: post #29
idiotsecant wrote: post #12

It seems to me like this is turning into a subreddit migration in slow motion. A lot people still want to post content and a lot of people still want to read content, so what's happening is people are posting it to the less popular 'alternative' versions of the popular subreddits and those posts make the frontpage instead. It seems like there is a noticeable decline in quality but i'm still seeing quite a bit of post…

Also most people don’t really care about the API/3rd party app thing. It doesn’t impact them and it looks from the outside like a bunch of dorks with no lives getting worked up over nothing. I’ve been on Reddit since the digg migration and I’ve never felt the need for an app, old.reddit.com and Adblock works perfectly fine on the phone. Better than Reddit’s mobile site.

Yeah, the biggest issue for me as a Reddit user is despotic mods. And frankly, this shut down is another good example of how problematic they are. There was important information these past few days I couldn't get to because mods locked it away behind this blackout. A handful of mods had polls, but for most subs the mods just decided they were going to lock away all the user created content, and did so without the community having a say. Which is ironic, because that's the same thing they're complaining about Reddit corporate doing.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by sharperguy »

Animats wrote: post #424
TechBro8615 wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lemmy has the same discoverability and usability problems as Mastodon. Especially for non-technical users, there's too much friction required to find their communities and aggregate them into a single usable feed with a nice client. And that's assuming they can even conceptualize what the fediverse is. I'm a technical user, and I closed join-lemmy.org after ten seconds because it was too many clicks to get to an inte…

The front page of lemmy: Lemmy - A link aggregator for the fediverse. Join a Server - Run a Server - Follow communities anywhere in the world Lemmy is a selfhosted social link aggregation and discussion platform. No, no. You lead with the benefits to the user. This isn't Github. It suffers from the same problem as Mastodon - "Join a server". But which one? These federated things need to be set up so that there's "no…

Nice thing about nostr is your account isn't tied to a server. The servers are just relays, and your messages are authenticated via pgp key. So your client will present you with a default set of servers, and if you need to change it later you don't need to recreate an account to do so, just tweak a setting.

The nostr community right now mostly want to replace twitter rather than reddit, but in principle it would be possible.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by [deleted] »

EatingWithForks wrote: post #415
jtode wrote: post #371

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It's endlessly fascinating to me - I basically assume that everyone here knows how to do computer stuff, at least at the enthusiast/power user level. Nobody at that level should have an issue with a system that requires a bit of extra configuration or a really, really tiny learning curve. And yet, every single one of these fediverse discussions is full of people basically saying "This doesn't spoonfeed me with zero e…

I think you're making the mistake that just because people on the forum have the skills, knowledge, and general capacity to learn a new tool that they are convinced to put in the effort to learn the new tool. Social media specifically has thrived on a culture of extreme low effort to learn how to start having fun with it (think TikTok showing you cool videos, then an easy prompt to sign up, then an immediate "for you…

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Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by perlgeek »

I supports the blackout.

Yet, addicted me still occasionally opens reddit. And all the content I see is from communities that did not black out, or returned, so all the content is from communities that at least a part of my says I shouldn't want to see.

Kinda kills the fun.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by cwkoss »

rblatz wrote: post #29
idiotsecant wrote: post #12

It seems to me like this is turning into a subreddit migration in slow motion. A lot people still want to post content and a lot of people still want to read content, so what's happening is people are posting it to the less popular 'alternative' versions of the popular subreddits and those posts make the frontpage instead. It seems like there is a noticeable decline in quality but i'm still seeing quite a bit of post…

Also most people don’t really care about the API/3rd party app thing. It doesn’t impact them and it looks from the outside like a bunch of dorks with no lives getting worked up over nothing. I’ve been on Reddit since the digg migration and I’ve never felt the need for an app, old.reddit.com and Adblock works perfectly fine on the phone. Better than Reddit’s mobile site.

Reddit official app and new website both suck, majority of my friends use reddit, but none of them use official clients - all third party apps or old.reddit.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by kristopolous »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #462
kristopolous wrote: post #453

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't this the same problem IRC had but IRC was (still is?) fairly widely used? (Wikipedia says its peak was about 10mil in 2004/2005 - which makes it 1% according to here: https://www.internetworldstats.com/emarketing.htm ) Regardless, if I was able to capture 1% of the net, that's not a failure by any stretch. How did IRC succeed here? Have any hard evidence as opposed to intuition or speculation?

> what's different? IRC, like e-mail, is grandfathered in. There wasn't a centralized alternative that worked when they were born.

ICQ? AIM? AOL chat rooms?

I think there were many options at the time.

Maybe the DCC transfer and easy scriptabilty thanks to Khaled Mardam-Bey's mIRC might be a valid claim.

Perhaps also the impermanence of the history of the channels afforded certain types of interactions that you wouldn't do with you know, theoretically forever scrollbacks.

I guess this brings us back to classical marketing about how you can't have a sustainable differentiated product based on negatives. (as in, this is not the bad guy). You need to have something in the affirmative

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by [deleted] »

chongli wrote: post #37

I was really skeptical of lemmy [1] when I first heard about it during the blackout. I joined yesterday and it completely changed my mind. Yes, it is going to face some growing pains (see the total user growth in the past few days) [2] in the coming weeks and months but it really has the potential to replace Reddit with a federated system of communities. One that won't be damaged by investors or executives attempting…

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Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by anigbrowl »

BaseballPhysics wrote: post #372
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #367

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> the concern trolling around here regarding federation I clicked, excited. I closed the tab when it required me to select a server. I don't want to read up on what rights server admins have over my account, why I should choose one versus another, which servers are de-federating which others, et cetera . This is a real and recurring hurdle to the adoption of these technologies.

Yeah, definitely better to just blindly click through a ToS on some private corporate social media service...

You don't take an aeronautics course when you buy a plane ticket, because 99% of people don't want to do that. I've been a nerd for ~40 years, I used to live on Usenet, I understand federation inside out, and I don't want to learn another protocol just to try a new website.

Blindly clicking through a ToS while chuckling that 'nobody reads that shit lol' is in fact a better user experience for almost everyone. If your approach were so great, there would be physical cities whose population consisted entirely of architects and engineers.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

anigbrowl wrote: post #457
BaseballPhysics wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not "drama", it's protecting their community from an instance that's currently being bombed by trolls. Seriously, the concern trolling around here regarding federation is almost comical. Apparently when major private corporation admins or volunteer mods arbitrarily intervene in the functioning of a platform it's totally fine, but when local server admins do it by moderating locally or de-federating from problem…

It's not concern trolling, drama exists because everyone gets distracted by organized trolling and federation stans don't have a good answer for this problem. Federation is confusing and alienating to non-technical users, and nerds who love federation tend to have a mediocre grasp of social dynamics and gloss over the inevitable abuses. Federation stans need to grasp the fact that nobody who is not a full time nerd c…

> Federation is confusing and alienating to non-technical users, and nerds who love federation tend to have a mediocre grasp of social dynamics and gloss over the inevitable abuses

Doesn't this also describe Reddit mods?

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by assbuttbuttass »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #458
chongli wrote: post #37

I was really skeptical of lemmy [1] when I first heard about it during the blackout. I joined yesterday and it completely changed my mind. Yes, it is going to face some growing pains (see the total user growth in the past few days) [2] in the coming weeks and months but it really has the potential to replace Reddit with a federated system of communities. One that won't be damaged by investors or executives attempting…

My first reaction is: there should be an aggregator for all of these instances: https://join-lemmy.org/instances because my first instinct guess is, there's going to be huge overlap on submissions daily there's only so much new news daily and a certain niche of people who read it/contribute scattering them out to a bunch of obscure niche places probably doesn't help there are even boring days on HackerNews. how many…

The way the fediverse works is, you can see posts and interact with communities on other instances as long as they federate with your "home" instance
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