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TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by cableshaft »

egorfine wrote: post #379

I live in a country where such a ban on certain "enemy" social networks was implemented a few years ago. What will happen is this. Teens will download a shit ton of VPN applications, the vast majority of which are specifically produced and marketed by the enemy to circumvent said ban. Then all users' phone traffic gets routed via the enemy VPN instead of just the social app's requests. Win-win for both sides: - the g…

At least in this case, the 'enemy VPN' can just be a different US state. Not the case for your country though.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by egorfine »

cableshaft wrote: post #471
egorfine wrote: post #379

I live in a country where such a ban on certain "enemy" social networks was implemented a few years ago. What will happen is this. Teens will download a shit ton of VPN applications, the vast majority of which are specifically produced and marketed by the enemy to circumvent said ban. Then all users' phone traffic gets routed via the enemy VPN instead of just the social app's requests. Win-win for both sides: - the g…

At least in this case, the 'enemy VPN' can just be a different US state. Not the case for your country though.

Fair.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by za3faran »

asix66 wrote: post #462

This ban law ultimately won’t work. What's needed is EDUCATION...Cases in point. The only way to "ban" illicit drugs is through education. Essentially, “don’t do that shit and here is why”. The only way to "ban" abortion is, similarly, through education. Don’t screw but if you do put a coat on that thing. Make that stuff free. Social media is no different. Focus on teaching the importance of privacy and mental wellbe…

Both approaches are not mutually exclusive. Education is important, but societal and peer pressure is a thing.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by chrisdfrey »

Tepix wrote: post #474

How is TikTok collecting all that data for iOS users? The sandbox should prevent that unless they give permission for everything manually.

There is a lot of FUD over what data TikTok collects, but even with data from just using the app they can do a lot of profiling.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by zabana »

can16358p wrote: post #376

I hate TikTok and CCP, but banning an app from use is just wrong. Want to fight TikTok addiction or privacy issues with CCP? Sure, do it. But find other ways: banning users from using it, whereas especially everybody else can access it, is a huge punch on the rights of your own people.

The thing is, most people outside the "larger ethnic group" in the US couldn't care less about their data being funneled to the CCP.

The anti china/russia/ seems to really be a WASP centric pathological obsession.

Just my 2c

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by nerdbert »

PurpleRamen wrote: post #424
vasco wrote: post #394

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does the government have to do with what apps I use in my free time? Are they also going to force me to read nonfiction instead of fiction because it's "the right move"? This sounds like some dystopian crap. What committee decides which apps are good for you or not and how long is long enough?

> What does the government have to do with what apps I use in my free time? Because it's literally their job: Protect the citizen. They may not do a good job all the time, most times they are even very bad. But nonetheless do they try and prevent most of the worst cases. And TikTok is so insane efficient in what it's doing, the line between benefit and harm is so thin, it could easily turn into a "worst case"-scenari…

What about propaganda outlets like Newsmax and OANN? Many would argue they've had far more harmful impact on the USA than Tiktok ever could. Where do you draw the line? It has to be domestic propaganda? Can you prove that those don't have foreign links?

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by throw3847484 »

kranke155 wrote: post #453
Matl wrote: post #423

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As 'evil' as FB is for example form my EU perspective.

So? We should allow one and not the other? What about this false equivalency between China and the US? Even in a worse case scenario, data being taken by US intelligence is given SOME form of oversight. If you believe the US and China are similarly free, I invite you to tell me if you feel like you’re as free in New York City and San Francisco as Shanghai or Shenzen. If you don’t think living in those two locations i…

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Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by nerdbert »

tracker1 wrote: post #301
twelve40 wrote: post #288

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but of this keeps trending (more future bans) it will nudge more people to sideload to get around stupid middlemen who get in their way countries who engage in these bans have conditioned many non-tech people to learn to use vpns and other tools "sideloading" is the norm on desktop too, btw, and always has been

Doubt it... I seriously doubt even 1% of android users has even heard of FDroid or knows that Amazon has it's own android market you can load on your phone. That will really limit network effect overall.

You may doubt it, but installing VPNs and getting software from alternate sources is a basic life skill in a country like Iran where the government tries hard to control what people see online. The old and young alike are doing this.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by nerdbert »

threeseed wrote: post #311
mrighele wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It'd be very difficult for Montana to enforce the other piece of the TikTok ban I don't know if it is technically and legally feasible in Montana, but you "just" need to block the endpoints that the app uses to fetch the data. It is not foolproof, but given that ByteDance probably has interest in keeping doing business in the rest of the USA, at least for now, it would be fineable in case it was trying to avoid the…

Technically and legally it's trivial and common. They just ask any ISPs and telcos operating in the state to ban the URL.

I doubt that e.g. mobile carriers have the infrastructure in place to do state-by-state website blocking. Of course we can conceive of the mechanism very simply in the abstract, but that doesn't necessarily mean that implementing it will be simple for them.
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