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Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Small question: does anyone have any actual numbers about crime in SF and whether or not it is actually more dangerous than other comparable cities (population, wealth, density)? I want to believe the claims of people who’ve been there that is quite dangerous but very few of them are actually giving out numbers to justify this position.

It's a good ask. I have perused the SFPD crime stats and left dissatisfied. If someone can compel this to provide a longer timeframe, I think it would be helpful: https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/stay-safe/crime-data/crim...

All anecdotal: I believe many, like me, that are claiming the decline in safety are actually living here. I've been here since 2010, FWIW (not saying that is long, but long enough to see changes, IMO). When I first got here, I remember seeing someone shoot up in an alley. I remember a drunk or drugged man smashing his head into the window of a bus. But, against the expectation that I would become assimilated and desensitized over time, I am more shocked now. The last time I went to the TL (six months ago), I was actually scared, and vowed not to return without good reason. I wish I could point to a single thing. Maybe it was the needles strewn, the folks dazed and walking into traffic, the knocked out folks on the sidewalk; it felt lawless. Maybe I'm getting older and scare more easily, that's also a possibility.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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If the police and or DA won't protect you for political reasons, that's a pretty good argument that you should be able to defend yourself.

It's fundamentally unfair to deny carry permits for decades and then also fail at effective policing.

Most murderers have already committed a lot of crimes, sometimes including other murders. If the police are ineffective many won't be known or reported, but I will hazard a guess that the attacker did commit them. In other words, the effective police+DA could have prevented the stabbing and didn't.

It sucks that the answer is to shoot criminals rather than prosecute them. But that is what the answer will be in the world of ineffective police+DA after Bruen. And frankly, it's good that the option will be there as a last resort for vulnerable citizens.

I know people will suggest all kinds of "better options". But those better options have been known for a long time and nothing has been done. The victims are just a statistic... collateral damage of politics.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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My family has lived in SF since the 1800s. I recently moved because it has gotten so bad. I hate what the government has done to my city.

There is so much truth to the saying "The People Get The Government They Deserve". The government of SF only exists in it's current state because the majority of voters in SF chose them.

Well in the case of old time san Franciscans, they made quite a nice city and then people moved in, out numbered them, and voted exactly for that which they didn't want.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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I accompanied my wife to a conference in SF a few years ago. While walking along Market Street, returning to our hotel from picking up food for the kids, one of those dishevelled guys with big coats ran at me full tilt. I was forced to run across the middle of the street into traffic to get away from him. He pursued me, pulling out a gun and pointing it at me midway across the street. After I got across the street he…

Add this to the list of reasons why I refuse to live or work in San Francisco. I screenshotted your comment and shared it with my family.

I know this is anecdata, I know the article we're discussing lends itself to these kinds of stories, and I know there're a lot of positives in SF, too; but there comes a point at which the negatives outweigh the positives by severity, regardless of relative quantity. SF is past that point for me.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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If the police and or DA won't protect you for political reasons, that's a pretty good argument that you should be able to defend yourself. It's fundamentally unfair to deny carry permits for decades and then also fail at effective policing. Most murderers have already committed a lot of crimes, sometimes including other murders. If the police are ineffective many won't be known or reported, but I will hazard a guess…

Out of curiosity, what was your take on firearms 5 years ago? I’m glad to see there are people realizing that in this country the only person responsible for your own safety is yourself.

Be careful defending yourself in a city like SF. You’ll likely end up in jail without the right attorneys.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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People in big cities get mugged, sometimes violently. This happened in Republican led cities when I was young. It happens in Democratic led cities now. It happens in London. It happens in Moscow. You can have policy differences with the government of San Francisco, but please don't capitalize on this tragic death to advance them. It's exploitive and disrespectful to Bob Lee's family. I know I'm whistling in the wind,…

China, Korea, Japan, has some of the largest cities in the world and violent crime is extremely rare in those cities. Crime was never on my mind when I lived in Tokyo. “Big cities” isn’t the cause.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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I am very spoiled by living in one of the European capitals. It's super safe here, and it's normal thing to see young females taking a dog out for a walk in 22-02h. I visit SF at least once a year, and default to my learned habit of walking alone, and later at night. No more.

I always thought SF was relatively safer compared to other U.S. cities, eg LA?

While there are obviously crime stats that give crime rates for whatever somewhat arbitrary political boundary defines a city, they can tell a misleading story. LA covers a lot of different types of areas. SF does to some degree as well (and a lot of visitors are most familiar with area around the Moscone which is at least near somewhat sketchy areas).

But this is really true in general. I consider Boston a pretty safe city. But there are absolutely areas that I wouldn't be walking around late at night.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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People in big cities get mugged, sometimes violently. This happened in Republican led cities when I was young. It happens in Democratic led cities now. It happens in London. It happens in Moscow. You can have policy differences with the government of San Francisco, but please don't capitalize on this tragic death to advance them. It's exploitive and disrespectful to Bob Lee's family. I know I'm whistling in the wind,…

Do you comment something similar on school shooting threads too?

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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> In fact we’ve seen a rash of hate crimes directed at groups that progressives are antagonistic to by groups progressives champion, lately.

Wow, I was entirely unaware of this. Could you please provide some links?

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