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Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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Imagine a hypothetical world where lab-grown meat and real meat taste the same and cost the same (externalities and animal cruelty accounted for) Which is better? On the one hand, there is no death and killing with lab grown meat. On the other hand, there is less life as well. Is it better for all those cows and chickens to never live at all than live and be killed for food? I'm not sure.

Depends on your perspective.

- A scarcity based mindset would argue that more life is inherently bad, see Malthus.

- A longtermist would argue that more life at any cost is better because it increases the statistical likelihood that some good would happen even as it increases the scope of potential catastrophe.

- An existentialist would argue that a life of captivity, born to die with no right to self-determination is not a life worth living

- Socrates would likely argue it doesn't matter because the chickens and the cows won't examine their life to extract any meaning at all

- Utilitarians would say people are getting fed either way, so go for the most efficient means.

- etc etc

This is a question of subjective valuation, and as such will never have a definite answer. It will also be subject to whatever framework the reader subscribes to.

The questions surrounding environmental impact, scale, food pipeline stability, et al are more measurable and able to deliver a quantitative "better or worse" conclusion given sufficient framing. To my mind that makes them more interesting.

Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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exactly the laws a rightwing government would create, protectionism at its best. meanwhile many countries around will build up the new high-tech industries and once surpassing the "traditional" thing in price/quality/quantity/coolness/... leave the protectionist in the dust. short term populism, long term damages, as always

> short term populism, long term damages, as always I worked for a lab grown meat company and the CEO would give "Lab Grown Foie gras" to the media and investors, that was actually Foie gras. They could feel good about climate change, and he would take your money. Have you ever looked into the inefficiency of a bioreactor? Probably not.

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Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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I am italian, not sure i agree with this. I would have rather allow it (even if I would have probably not bought lab grown meat) and be sure it's well communicated during the sale (either on the package or from the vendor in case it's a butcher shop). Especially because we can't ban Monsanto's GMOs and I don't see how this is worse...

> Especially because we can't ban Monsanto's GMOs and I don't see how this is worse... why should GMOs and Monsanto, which has now been taken over and is one of the lesser producers, be banned? and why do we always have to make ourselves known with our mediocrity of repeated bar ideas, dear fellow Italian?

Thanks for the free-of-charge judgement, i am not against GMOs, I am against monsanto policies and monopoly that are sales focused and not quality focused (like gmos that only last one crop so you have to buy them again :) ). We tried to block them but eventually they won the right to sell. I just used that as an example on how we allow terrible companies and their terrible product (not gmo in general) to be sold, but not lab produced meat...it seems a bit weird to me!

Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have an Italian friend who runs a food business (aperitivo boxes) with locally sourced, organic products from Basilicata (he is from that region). I helped him out quite a bit when he launched it which included taking a detailed look at each producer that he ultimately selected. I lived in Veneto on a farm for almost a year in 2008/2009. So I would say I have above average knowledge about farming in this country.

Ok. As someone who knows more about the subject than I do, how would you estimate the impact of Italian agriculture on climate change?

Frankly, I have no idea.

I was talking about the opposite. The impact of climate change on Italian agriculture.

The whole south of Europe will be severely affected very soon.

The research/reports is/are public[1]. For the actual telltale signs just read any serious European news outlet these days.

[1] For example: https://publications.jrc.ec.europa.eu/repository/handle/JRC1...

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