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Re: Twitter was down

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Post by smcl »

it_citizen wrote: post #185
u320 wrote: post #35

The fun part is that the CEO is on Twitter as this happens, arguing about COVID.

When I checked this morning, he was busy posting borderline sexist dad jokes: ( https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1632574090216103937 ) I still don't understand why every fifth post in my feed is an Elon tweet, I don't even follow him. I could block him but I find it interesting to see how much of his content is pushed toward me who hasn't asked for it.

Maybe better to block him. I did so because I was a bit sick of seeing his tweets - some of them are borderline offensive, some are him cosying up with far-right but the majority are just a bit try-hard, unfunny and ultimately sad.

I'm not a delicate flower when it comes to offense so I'd just roll my eyes when the first two kinds of tweets popped up. But seeing a grown man repeatedly trying and failing so hard at being a poster is a bit much to take.

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by numpad0 »

rvz wrote: post #409
numpad0 wrote: post #186

PSA: Mastodon, Misskey, Nostr, Bluesky exists now. Just top 3 Mastodon instances(mastodon.social, pawoo.net, mstdn.jp) collectively has > 2mil users, same level as Twitter in 2008. Misskey, an ActivityPub/Mastodon compatible server software, now has >10K users. Nostr isn't much, Bluesky is still invite only and had just went past 2k registered, but those are all available options for direct substitutes to Twitter in…

> Just top 3 Mastodon instances(mastodon.social, pawoo.net, mstdn.jp) collectively has > 2mil users, same level as Twitter in 2008. You really think 'pawoo.net' and 'mstdn.jp' are fabulous advertisements for Mastodon of over 2M users on those instances, unless you think CP and loli culture there is a great thing since it is totally illegal in hundreds of countries? Secondly, both pawoo.net and mstdn.jp instances are…

> You really think 'pawoo.net' and 'mstdn.jp' are fabulous advertisements for Mastodon of over 2M users on those instances

Yes.

My understanding at this point is that, firstly, instances that do not federate with these, and those cheap “CP” accusations, has no relevance in this discussion, because nothing comes out of those.

Secondly, it seems completely plausible to me at this time, that a central Mastodon instance will become the core of a Western European social media landscape, in the way this wartime Russian Federation maintains VKontakte, or that Communist China maintains Sina Weibo. And Misskey could be another such for another region, each contributing to slow segregation of the Internet at religious-social-political interfaces.

Such violent responses that you have expressed against the names of .jp and Pawoo is plausibly an indication of those developments.

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by smcl »

systemvoltage wrote: post #428
supriyo-biswas wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They make for a shitty work environment for everyone - anyone who wants to set up healthy boundaries between work and life would be let go, thus eventually reducing worker rights.

No one is in shackles. They make like $300k in compensation. It's a free country, workers can go wherever they want. Free labor market. What if, just what if, the workers actually like working hard and making their lives better? That seems to never enter the conversation here. Honestly, the culture on HN makes workers like me more resentful. It's 100% negative, there is absolutely 0% optimism in these threads. Not ev…

They all make $300k and can all go wherever they want and do whatever they want? Are you certain that is the case?

> ... like working hard and making their lives better

It's true that work can be very rewarding - "Find a job you enjoy doing, and you will never have to work a day in your life" and all that. Plus who doesn't like making their lives better? I guess it is up to the reader to decide whether a job in Musk-era Twitter is one of those jobs, and whether working for the new "hardcore" Twitter would make your life better. I can only speak for myself but if I worked somewhere and I saw that after a takeover:

- half of my colleagues got fired one day

- some people occasionally get fired for on-the-spot violations like answering a CEO's question

- the company went from nearly-profitable to incredibly unprofitable (let’s even ignore how it got that way)

- the company stopped paying some bills and were kicked out of some offices and services

- the owner-and-CEO had become an extremely ... divisive figure, shall we say

- the owner-and-CEO declares that the existing product is brittle and broken and needs a ground-up "2.0" rewrite (a second system so to speak...)

... then I wouldn't see this as some wonderful opportunity, I'd see it as my workplace being turned into a plaything for a tempestuous billionaire who might not be as competent as he wants us to believe. And if I was a wealthy and financially-secure US permanent resident looking at a buoyant jobs market then I'd probably leave, take a bit of a breather then start looking for a new job at a different company. However if any one of those things didn't hold (maybe I'm an H1B visa holder, maybe I am young and don't have much savings or experience, maybe the job market kinda sucks, maybe I have am the sole earner in my family) I'd be in a much different and more depressing situation - maybe not literally "in shackles" but certainly not as free as you are suggesting.

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by [deleted] »

not_a_shill wrote: post #187
jedberg wrote: post #68

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I know some of the former Twitter engineers, and they were great engineers. I'm sure they built a fairly resilient system. But at the scale and complexity, eventually you hit an unforeseen error that requires some institutional knowledge to fix, and it's doubtful they still have that, unless the ex-engineers loved the product so much they are willing to take phone calls from the people that are left and point them in…

>I don't think we landed on a time frame. I'm actually surprised it stayed up this long. How much to get in on this? Seems like free money if you thought the time frame was that early.

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Re: Twitter was down

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Post by ModernMech »

MrOwnPut wrote: post #468
camjohnson26 wrote: post #427

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He created that drama when he tried to gaslight the entire tech industry into thinking 90% of engineering jobs were redundant, you can’t expect anything else than for him to get dunked on when the completely predictable consequences of that play out, namely that the service will get more and more unreliable over time.

No. I think the people creating drama here should take responsibility and act like professionals. No need to pull out terms like gaslighting to justify creating more drama. A 1 hour downtime is nothing.

> A 1 hour downtime is nothing.

If it’s nothing, why is Musk on Twitter saying the whole codebase is brittle for no reason, and needs a complete rewrite? Sounds like a pretty big deal to me.

As far as the drama comment, you’re free to disengage from this thread at any time. No need to continually interject how against the drama you are. Just leave if you find it distasteful.

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by roflyear »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #459
roflyear wrote: post #454

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Glad it worked for you. For every person like you there are a thousand where they were mistreated and it didn't lead to success.

> every person like you there are a thousand where they were mistreated and it didn't lead to success And they should have recourse. That doesn’t mean we ban or automatically condone the practice.

Right, but you're essentially saying (or it is being interpreted this way by many) "Do the time, it worked for me!"

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by roflyear »

MrOwnPut wrote: post #463
roflyear wrote: post #453

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99% of companies who need this don't pay it forward.

99% of companies who need this do pay it forward. Shall we source our percentages or just keep throwing them out?

Lol, it's obvious I'm not stating a real number. Relax.

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by smcl »

roflyear wrote: post #454
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #445

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> deserve better as a worker I had equity in the outfit, I made my first million from it, and again, I had fun. If the CEI were at home partying, it would have been a different story. But we were all there. Kidding, coding and trying to keep something we were building together alive.

Glad it worked for you. For every person like you there are a thousand where they were mistreated and it didn't lead to success.

[Raises hand] I spent countless weekends and evenings in my mid-20s to help the company meet a delivery deadlines (earning the company X million pounds each time) or to untangle some production fuckup (saving the company from having to “best price” trades or incur fines). Claims of overtime shushed and dismissed (“come on you already make more than $colleague…”). Promises of equity that were “delivered” in the form of some kind of ultimately worthless “units” that were granted in place of actual shares (just while the legal side is worked out, you know) and which were eventually swept under the carpet as if they never existed.

Those overnighters and the value they created mean very different things to someone who has equity vs the rest of us. As you can tell I’m a little bitter still, I realise now this amounts to wage theft and violates various protections we have in law - I just wish I had known at the time :(

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

roflyear wrote: post #476
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #459

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> every person like you there are a thousand where they were mistreated and it didn't lead to success And they should have recourse. That doesn’t mean we ban or automatically condone the practice.

Right, but you're essentially saying (or it is being interpreted this way by many) "Do the time, it worked for me!"

> you're essentially saying (or it is being interpreted this way by many) "Do the time, it worked for me!"

I’m not saying that. I’m saying doing the time isn’t equivalent to abuse. The facts and circumstances matter, e.g. who is doing it, how often it’s required, and what everyones’ stakes are.

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by roflyear »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #479
roflyear wrote: post #476

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, but you're essentially saying (or it is being interpreted this way by many) "Do the time, it worked for me!"

> you're essentially saying (or it is being interpreted this way by many) "Do the time, it worked for me!" I’m not saying that. I’m saying doing the time isn’t equivalent to abuse. The facts and circumstances matter, e.g. who is doing it, how often it’s required, and what everyones’ stakes are.

Well, that's how it reads. Sorry.
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