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Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Post by Clent »

pkulak wrote: post #218
t8sr wrote: post #162

Everyone in this thread is arguing about operating systems and their mobile OS preference... why? The interesting point here, which is corroborated by different sources than just TFA, is that Apple's silicon is 1-2 generations ahead of everyone else. Whether you like iPhone or Android, I think we should all agree that's a bad situation for the world to be in. Apple's advantage in mobile CPUs is coming at a time when…

Does Apple really have some secret sauce, or are they just consistently first in line for TSMC's latest process? Not saying that's better or worse, but it's a very different problem.

They are able to focus on fewer designs and also are positioned to design the silicon to framework, target common bottlenecks, etc.

It's the difference between tuning a game for consoles and tuning it for a PC.

Apple's is funding TSMC's latest process by guaranteeing future orders.

The other manufactures could do this but there is more profit in using older processes.

Only a fraction of Android devices are using a process that isn't 3+ years old.

Apple has end dates for their process. They are aim for this and the other companies are not.

This isn't Apple Bad(tm)

This is Android manufactures have a different focus. Android devices are priced to be disposable.

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Post by basch »

kaba0 wrote: post #422
basch wrote: post #349

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Fix it at the rendering level. My device should default to not rendering a website the way the developer asks it to, but the way my defaults are set. Load a minimum viable site, ask my permission to execute more.

How exactly would you decide what is minimum viable? What about buying a ticket and it failing at the last step because your browser determined that js was unneeded?

Historically, browser vendors maintain per site settings of some sort. Whether that be Opera's Site Specific Patching or Brave.

Basically have to keep giant lists of what js actually enhances the people experience vs just being useful to the publisher.

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Post by jacooper »

pjmlp wrote: post #437
dzikimarian wrote: post #168

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That's just plain not true. It's at least $100 below market average and performance is great. Not mentioning camera which is easily one of the best on the market, if not the best one.

In the few European countries where Pixel is on sale, it is more like 100 euros above the average price of 300 euros for mid-range phones.

A pixel isn't a mid range phone.

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Post by jacooper »

kaba0 wrote: post #443
dzikimarian wrote: post #168

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That's just plain not true. It's at least $100 below market average and performance is great. Not mentioning camera which is easily one of the best on the market, if not the best one.

Do you get the same camera experience with Graphene installed as with vanilla software?

Yes, you can just install the google camera app

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Post by pjmlp »

jacooper wrote: post #473
pjmlp wrote: post #437

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In the few European countries where Pixel is on sale, it is more like 100 euros above the average price of 300 euros for mid-range phones.

A pixel isn't a mid range phone.

OP thinks it is.

"It's at least $100 below market average and performance is great"

=> market average

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Post by stefandesu »

bfrog wrote: post #2

iphone 12 mini has been my favorite phone I've ever owned, and coincidentally the first iphone I've ever owned.

Same for me. I was previously a huge fan of the original iPhone SE, but having a modern screen and camera is so nice. Battery life is lacking a bit though. If Apple won't release another iteration of the mini in the next two years, I'll consider getting a 13 mini with a new battery which would hopefully last me quite a while.

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Post by kaba0 »

acdha wrote: post #464
kaba0 wrote: post #424

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While I agree with your overall points, you are wrong on the details: Android runs native code and ARC is just another form of GC (with less memory overhead, but also less throughput for what it matters. It is probably the better choice for mobile devices). Apple hardware is just that much better, it is not about the software stack.

Android does have native code support, but do non-games use it commonly? The Android reviews I've read tend to mention that being a game thing when talking about why it's important to have more RAM. (And, yes, I should have said “Java's GC vs. ARC” since that tends to have higher peaks)

Android’s ART used to be a completely AOT approach (that compiled to native machine code on the machine at install time), nowadays there is also a JIT compiler that shares profiling information across devices even.

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Post by jacooper »

pjmlp wrote: post #475
jacooper wrote: post #473

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A pixel isn't a mid range phone.

OP thinks it is. "It's at least $100 below market average and performance is great" => market average

He meant Market average as in average flagship prices.

Pixel 6 pro and 7 pro prices are cheap compared to any other phone from the same tier.

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Post by dileepkr »

mrtksn wrote: post #460
swah wrote: post #458

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From what I understood the "back gesture" is not universal - sometimes you still have to use that Back link on the top? Anyway, I'm returning to Android after 4 months for the same reasons. Lets see how this goes. I haven't found difference in the few apps that I use and since there is universal praise that iOS is smooth, every little hiccup called my attention. So, there are hiccups as well (lags, not responding to…

> From what I understood the "back gesture" is not universal - sometimes you still have to use that Back link on the top? It's actually universal when the App is built with the native UI components and it's part of Apple's App design guidelines. It doesn't work when the App is built with UI frameworks that don't adhere to this design convention. Sometimes even if the framework by default supports this, the devs can b…

Youtube app doesn't allow the back gesture when you are playing a video to return back to search results.

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Post by dileepkr »

okdood64 wrote: post #395
dileepkr wrote: post #232

To all the iphone diehards, I recently switched from Samsung to iphone 14PM and I whole heartedly hate following things: 1. The keyboard in ios: its unintuitive and ancient compared to the android counterparts. And No, Gboard, swiftkey keyboard in ios suck equally bad too. 2. Battery drain issues: Battery drains randomly, main culprit being "find my" process. This alone drains ~8% of battery overnight on my iphone an…

What are 3 things you love about it?

Overall pros I've noticed is the stability and attention to detail in the small things we daily use.

1. Reliable performance from the OS: what I mean by this is, small features like auto brightness has worked right for me from day 1 on iphone vs me having to adjust it in android and gps lock on maps is always on point. Small things like this work in both Android and iphone, but in iphone it works right all the time.

2. Apple Wallet: I've used both Gpay and Wallet, my wife still uses Gpay on her android, But Apple wallet has worked without a hassle every single time.

3. Quality of apps in Appstore: When comparing same app released for both iOS and Android, the iOS app feels much stable to use without any crashes and better design. For example, the banking apps like Chase/ Capital one were absolute mess in my android(S20 FE), but in iOS I haven't seen them crash/hang ask for reload etc.

4. Software updates: You get software updates as soon as apple releases it vs Samsung taking months/years to add their bloatware and push it.

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