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Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

voytec wrote: post #159
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #45

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> that is because HR exists to protect the company, not the employee I kind of get annoyed when this statement is bandied about. Not because it's false, but because it's brought up in cases like this one where if HR were actually doing their job well, they would have protected the company by doing a real investigation. That is, one of the primary purposes of HR is "keep the company from getting sued." But, in many ca…

> if HR were actually doing their job well, they would have protected the company by doing a real investigation. In a case like this, HR expects the victim to back down. It may be assumed as a likely outcome based on the percentage of cases where this happens.

> It may be assumed as a likely outcome based on the percentage of cases where this happens.

Anecdotes is not data. The fact that there are a number of high profile cases where HR royally failed in their job to protect the company from litigation is not really strong evidence that that's the norm. Most importantly, it's much more likely to get reported when HR fucks up than when they do their job as required.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

foepys wrote: post #92
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #45

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> that is because HR exists to protect the company, not the employee I kind of get annoyed when this statement is bandied about. Not because it's false, but because it's brought up in cases like this one where if HR were actually doing their job well, they would have protected the company by doing a real investigation. That is, one of the primary purposes of HR is "keep the company from getting sued." But, in many ca…

But aren't you just repeating what GP said? HR protecting the employee is coincidental, not their primary goal. From an employee perspective it is a gamble to trust HR to help them, even if HR were doing their job.

The GP was arguing that this was an expected outcome because HR's primary goal is to protect the company. I'm arguing that this was an unexpected outcome precisely because HR's primary goal is to protect the company.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by red-iron-pine »

notrealme1234 wrote: post #270
danuker wrote: post #247

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Maybe the employer also. Acting on unproven accusations is unfair.

As long as you can prove that they acted on that. they gonna come up with anything as real reason.

Is that what your lawyer told you? Cuz unless it's a mega corp lawsuits are expensive and they often settle if the demand is under a certain amount and there is a real or mostly-real complaint.

Plus a series of judgements does a good job of illustrating to others that all allegations were false, and were looked at by a court (possibly multiple times) to determine if they had any validity.

3 judgements in your favor is a good rebuttal if it ever comes up again...

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by red-iron-pine »

roarcher wrote: post #264
riedel wrote: post #212

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I really wonder about press standards in this case. Both parties are not public figures. Is it normal 8n the US that both are named and pictures are published. I think here in Germany typically at least a pseudonym would be assigned to protect the individuals. Is there any law to protect personality rights in the US?

> Is there any law to protect personality rights in the US? Not really. Ever see those "Florida Man" memes? The reason that's a thing isn't because people in Florida are particularly crazy. It's because public records are exceptionally easy to access in Florida, and those include police reports. And anything that's public record is fair game for the media. In some states (I believe Georgia is one), there are regular…

It's also the 3rd largest state in the US in terms of population, and has a lot of incredibly rich + incredibly poor areas; as one friend from FL put it "a weird mix of surfer and redneck".

Point is, lots of bodies and lots of dizzying highs and crazy lows. Then add in ease-of-access to records and ecce florida-homo

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by MichaelNolan »

benjaminwootton wrote: post #213

Without passing comment on the case, this guy appeared to go to 3 further work events including alcohol after the incident. Why do people put themselves in these situations at work? I'm nervous having even 1 drink with work colleagues in todays day and age, let alone getting plastered 3 times with the same people after an incident.

If you’re a competent and reliable engineer (at the level senior or lower), then social events are optional. No one will care if you do or don’t go.

Sadly for many other fields (especially sales/marketing) or for management positions, social events are essentially mandatory. Sure you can skip one every once in a while, but if you start skipping too many your career prospects in the company will be impacted.

*obviously this is company/industry dependent.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by olalonde »

machina_ex_deus wrote: post #397
olalonde wrote: post #387

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> And this is a direct result of lack of religion. The absence of religion isn't lack of oppression, it's oppression by a dumb blind mob. Religion isn't the truly primitive behavior, the truly primitive behavior is this dumb mob social justice that's spreading now. Nah, they're both truly primitive. China doesn't have this "dumb mob social justice" phenomenon and is largely irreligious. Irrationality isn't inevitable…

Don't get me started on China's social credit. I'll pick the mob justice over an unintelligent oppressive dictatorship. Communism is a whole religion of its own, and it's even more oppressive and pervasive than other religions, and it fosters corruption.

Oh boy... How about Hong Kong?

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by jb1991 »

red-iron-pine wrote: post #469
jb1991 wrote: post #457

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But calling them out as a "weirdo" is not a good look, to be honest. Such a statement carries context as well.

Sounds to me like someone has had a lot of different hair colors. Anecdotes aren't data but when it comes to weird people, and non-natural hair colors, I've seen a lot of overlap. Practically 1-to-1, save for a few of the e-girl, OF demographic doing it to make money via cosplay and the like.

I've never dyed my hair but I do think it's noteworthy when someone is using biased language when reporting their side of a story. Calling anyone a "weirdo" is a good signal for how you might treat someone.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

barry-cotter wrote: post #399
anonymouskimmer wrote: post #269

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Unless you're in traditionally pink collar jobs, in which case they're the ones who would be preferred (except for child care, where men who wish to work in the field are given a long hard look).

> Unless you're in traditionally pink collar jobs, in which case they're the ones who would be preferred Have you seen any evidence of this or are speaking from theory?

I personally haven't seen any evidence of any affirmative action. Mostly because I'm not looking. So I'm speaking from theory. A quick search on affirmative action for nursing pops this up:

https://allnurses.com/affirmative-action-male-applicants-t12... > "I believe this is already quietly done. It's just not talked about. The community colleges usually do not participate in AA. It's the BSN-level colleges that frequently use AA in choosing applicants - including the application of AA for male applicants."

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by yowzadave »

sokoloff wrote: post #268
HideousKojima wrote: post #223

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The Billy Graham/Mike Pence rule is your best bet: don't let yourself be in any situation where a false accusation could arise. Of course you'll be accused of being a sexist/misogynist/whatever instead but that's easier to ignore or overcome than false accusations of sexual harassment.

Hard disagree. If I decide I can have a closed-door 1:1 or a lunch 1:1 with some of my direct reports but not with any that are female, I’m inherently discriminating against them. I’d way rather treat all employees fairly and fade a <1% chance of a false accusation than to treat employees unequally and cut that chance in half.

Would it be a viable solution to always have a third party present, whether your direct report is male or female?
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