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Twitter users jump to Mastodon, but what is it?

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Re: Twitter users jump to Mastodon, but what is it?

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Post by shultays »

pjc50 wrote: post #147
vorpalhex wrote: post #31

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The advertisers pulled before any layoffs. Actually they started pulling the day before he took over. The teams he cut are mostly silly teams. A climate team? At twitter? AI Ethics? He has to stop burning money. He is moving twitter from ad funded (which never paid the bills) to subscription funded (which might pay the bills? $8/mo is nothing. It will certainly make bans hurt more. It will significantly help spam.)

> $8/mo is nothing. Most of non-Western Twitter will vanish overnight if this is a requirement to use the platform. But it's still not clear what it will actually mean and how it will affect the site culture.

It is not a requirement to use platform, it is for blue checkmark

Re: Twitter users jump to Mastodon, but what is it?

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Post by fomine3 »

frereubu wrote: post #371
Thorentis wrote: post #350

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I really don't think companies care what their ads appear alongside. They care about a Twitter user posting an outrage tweet with a screenshot of an ad for a Burger appearing next to the N word. As if we aren't mature enough yet to separate ad space and user generated content.

Companies do care what their ads appear alongside, because of the outrage tweets and because, en masse, people / the media aren't mature enough to separate ad space and user-generated content.

IMO companies shouldn't care what their ads appear alongside. It's the way to over moderation/censorship.

Re: Twitter users jump to Mastodon, but what is it?

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Post by audessuscest »

rem7 wrote: post #422
audessuscest wrote: post #11

For most people it means trusting unknown people with their data and trusting them to not delete your account or turn off the instance eventually, which doesn't make it really better than twitter. Ideally everyone should run its own instance but it won't be the case.

How’s that different from trusting Twitter? You can export your data everyday and back it up if you want. Move to another server and restore.

> How’s that different from trusting Twitter?

that's not, exactly my point

Re: Twitter users jump to Mastodon, but what is it?

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Post by boston_clone »

phpisthebest wrote: post #438
rolenthedeep wrote: post #430

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You're complaining that you can't migrate your account to a Nazi server. This sounds like a feature , not a bug.

ahh yes, everyone you disagree with is a Nazi...... I figured that tired, worn out, dead horse would be dead now but I guess not

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gab_(social_network)

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gab_(social_network)#By_Gab

>> Part of a series on Antisemitism

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/andrew-torba-deactivates-gab-...

yeah, kinda checks out.

Re: Twitter users jump to Mastodon, but what is it?

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Post by pseudo0 »

CuriousCosmic wrote: post #208
vorpalhex wrote: post #31

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The advertisers pulled before any layoffs. Actually they started pulling the day before he took over. The teams he cut are mostly silly teams. A climate team? At twitter? AI Ethics? He has to stop burning money. He is moving twitter from ad funded (which never paid the bills) to subscription funded (which might pay the bills? $8/mo is nothing. It will certainly make bans hurt more. It will significantly help spam.)

An AI ethics team is 100% a core team for a business like twitter. Facebook has already proven that such a team is necessary [1] to prevent atrocities from occurring. Being able to identify biases in the content selections by "the algorithm" (read: a bundle of fancy heuristics) is a core part of their job. Their job is to identify ways bad actors are abusing their content propagation algorithms and ways to mitigate t…

An AI ethics team isn't going to catch promotion of violence or genocide in Myanmar, that is a problem that requires local cultural and language expertise and staff performing 24/7 real-time moderation. An AI ethics team is just a PR prop for companies to trot out when something bad happens to show that they care, not an effective solution.

Re: Twitter users jump to Mastodon, but what is it?

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Post by baxtr »

poszlem wrote: post #461
baxtr wrote: post #66

I have no clue what Twitter will be turned into by Musk. I also don’t have a very strong opinion about the entire situation or about the changes he’s implementing right now. But here is what concerns me: the speed of execution. Ofc speed matters a lot in startups. But Twitter is a not a startup anymore. Compare that to when Steve Jobs returned to Apple. He took some weeks (months?) to understand what was going on ins…

We know that from the released texts, that Musk is a close friend of Jack Dorsey, so I would expect him to have necessary intel in place for months.

We know that Steve Jobs still knew many many people inside Apple when he returned and had ongoing business relations with them. Yet, he didn’t skip the step of understanding from the people directly once he was CEO.

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Post by sincarne »

phpisthebest wrote: post #459
simplotek wrote: post #454

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Sorry but all you say in you post is a bunch of baseless personal assertions pushing a specific personal political take that has no substance or credibility. The Ford F150 is no niche product. It's the most popular car in all US states except in 5 or 6 states. According to some sources , "the vast majority of these new trucks are [sold] in large and medium-sized cities." https://hedgescompany.com/blog/2018/10/pickup-…

>>So unless you want to claim that white males living in large urban centers from all corners o the US are not Twitter's demographics That is not my claim at all, my claim is the people that are freaking out about Elon owning twitter, that are freaking out about having a more free speech platform, that are freaking out that conservatives views will not be instantly banned by twitter "trust and safety" are not white m…

> conservatives views will not be instantly banned by twitter

I see assertions like this a lot. Please show me the person who has been banned from Twitter for advocating for lower taxes or social benefit cuts. Or even, if you want to stretch the definition of “conservatives views”, gun rights and climate denial.

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Post by hutzlibu »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #224
hutzlibu wrote: post #169

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"I’m still of the opinion he is not doing the work and his success is mostly throwing money at eager (and smart) engineers. " To me it seems, his success comes from being an engineer himself and wanting to get shit done and kick people until shit gets done in a working way. And yes that includes throwing money at smart engineers, but to do this, you have to be smart and have domain knowledge to do so. The problem sta…

You sound very conflicted. I can see like at least two places where you directly contradict yourself. You have to learn what people say and what people do are very different. Elon Musk is a bullshitter and narcissist. It's time to stop listening and believing anything he has to say. Otherwise they'll keep dragging you in and you'll keep finding reasons to give them another chance.

I am not really conflicted, I can respect his achievements without negating the downsides or the narcistic, egomanic "BS". I thought I made that clear, with labeling it as "BS".

Re: Twitter users jump to Mastodon, but what is it?

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Post by the_third_wave »

boston_clone wrote: post #474
phpisthebest wrote: post #438

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ahh yes, everyone you disagree with is a Nazi...... I figured that tired, worn out, dead horse would be dead now but I guess not

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gab_(social_network) > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gab_(social_network)#By_Gab >> Part of a series on Antisemitism https://www.dailydot.com/debug/andrew-torba-deactivates-gab-... yeah, kinda checks out.

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Re: Twitter users jump to Mastodon, but what is it?

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Post by encryptluks2 »

hutzlibu wrote: post #478
encryptluks2 wrote: post #224

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You sound very conflicted. I can see like at least two places where you directly contradict yourself. You have to learn what people say and what people do are very different. Elon Musk is a bullshitter and narcissist. It's time to stop listening and believing anything he has to say. Otherwise they'll keep dragging you in and you'll keep finding reasons to give them another chance.

I am not really conflicted, I can respect his achievements without negating the downsides or the narcistic, egomanic "BS". I thought I made that clear, with labeling it as "BS".

I respect his achievements about as much as I respect any corrupt company that has had success by having money to spend and people willing to work for them to pay their rent. While many people chose to work for Musk because they believed in a formidable mission.. I don't believe that will be the case for much longer. I truly think he is now acting out of desperation as he's seeing a large downward trend that has him on edge.
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