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Re: Apple Reports Fourth Quarter Results

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Post by criddell »

jerojero wrote: post #180
pb7 wrote: post #171

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Because they're exceptionally good products that are beloved by everyone except the average Hacker News user. :-) There is an incredible bubble here that doesn't reflect the world.

I would like to use iPhones, they have really good cameras and very good video-recording capabilities. But sadly a lot of the apps I use are not available in the app store. To me, this is a deal breaker. Hardware-wise the product is good, but I'm not just taking pictures and chatting on snapchat. I do a bit more with my phone. For my mom, however, the phone is great and does everything she expects it to do.

I agree with you - it's all about the software.

For example, I bought an iPad for GoodNotes and Procreate. Both are killer apps and I've really grown to love the iPad.

Re: Apple Reports Fourth Quarter Results

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Post by wildrhythms »

goosedragons wrote: post #467
BoorishBears wrote: post #306

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And that's how Apple spoils you. There are M1 machines with fans, but you can rest assured they did the tuning so that you don't end up paying thousands for a machine with poorly thought out fan curves that don't incorporate basic hysteresis.

No. Apple just has their own poorly thought out fan curves just with different priorities. You can see this really easily on the Intel models where they don't even bother to turn on the fan until it hits something dumb like 90C. Quieter sure but I doubt good for long-term life of the hardware. It also had a negative impact on performance.

My M1 handily outperforms my old hot, loud Intel MBP, and the M1 doesn't even get warm to the touch doing the same workloads that would make the MBP turn into a jet engine. It's not just fan curves.

Re: Apple Reports Fourth Quarter Results

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Post by kinleyd »

magic_hamster wrote: post #431
bee_rider wrote: post #326

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> Addition: And I think one thing that really hurt the Android ecosystem is when Android phones went through that phase of every phone flagship phone had some sort of gimmick. Where as Apple really just buttoned down and developed a really solid phone. A lot of android phone makers were just focusing on gimmicks like styluses or niche features to set them apart from other Android instead of just really developing a g…

As a long term android user, there are definitely great minimalist phones out there that give you a really good experience with little to no gimmicks. My current favorite is the Zenfone line from Asus. I have the Zenfone 8 and it's just brilliant. There's hardly any bloat, it's just android, no silly gimmicks, small form factor, decent camera and it has a 3.5 headphone jack. The newest model has all that and a much i…

I've never owned an iPhone, and agree with you on every point based on my one and only experience with an iPod.

I've been dismayed with the bloat that's been creeping into Android phones (I'm currently on a Huawei P30).

I've never tried the Zenfone, but now I have to - thanks for the recommendation.

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krelian wrote: post #435
skc wrote: post #422

I actually like that Apple completely obliterates the fiction that people don't want a walled garden. It's such a minority as to be utterly irrelevant. These insane numbers prove it.

HN threads are a bad source for what real people want and feel. It's terrific for talking about the technical side of things or about products and services that are geared towards the HN demographic but at the moment you step out of that comfort zone the disconnect between HN and real people becomes jarring. And on a different note, and this is an idea that can use some further development, the fact that a non-free,…

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Post by megablast »

rkagerer wrote: post #256
duped wrote: post #74

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Almost every adult in the developed world needs a smart phone. They replace these devices about every 2-3 years. Apple makes one of the best in class of these devices, and has successfully designed one such that it's hard to switch to a competitor (rather it's easier to stay in the ecosystem). They've convinced about a billion people on the planet that the iPhone is the best device for them, so if you split that into…

They replace these devices about every 2-3 years As someone who buys a good smartphone then hangs onto it for 5 years, can someone help me understand the need for this?

I used to get one every sell, sell the last one, and make a profit since it was tax deductible.

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Post by christophilus »

skc wrote: post #422

I actually like that Apple completely obliterates the fiction that people don't want a walled garden. It's such a minority as to be utterly irrelevant. These insane numbers prove it.

I don’t like a walled garden, and yet I use an iPhone because I like reducing e-waste. As soon as a Linux phone is viable (which I expect will be the case by the time my current iPhone kicks the bucket), I’ll switch.

That said, for non-techies like my parents, I recommend iPhone + MacBook. You pay a bit more, but their longevity makes them economical, the integration is top notch, they just work, have less bloatware, have excellent battery life, etc.

Apple’s revenue is what it is for a very good reason.

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Post by checkyoursudo »

adrianN wrote: post #414
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> Apple makes one of the best in class of these devices, and has successfully designed one such that it's hard to switch to a competitor (rather it's easier to stay in the ecosystem). I wonder how many years it will take before I can convince some people that I actually just prefer Apple's phones to competing phones and that I'm not actually brainwashed or forced by Apple to never leave. But that's exactly what a bra…

I use an iPhone instead of an Android because I still get software updates for the iPhone 7 (2016).

I have an iPhone SE (1st gen) which I believe is also 2016, and I still get updates as well. In fact, this SE is still amazing. When I pull it out, nearly everybody says things like, "wow, I haven't seen a phone that small in a long time" and "I hate my gigantic phone". It still works fine. I have been thinking about getting an indestructible case for it. I haven't used a case yet, but I really don't want to have to buy a gigantic replacement phone, and I worry about dropping it and finally having it break.

I wish they would make another small-form-factor phone again. I hear the 13 mini or something like that is reasonable, but it is still bigger.

My very first iPhone (first gen) was the all-time best.

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Post by mywacaday »

tcmart14 wrote: post #162
tshaddox wrote: post #126

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> Apple makes one of the best in class of these devices, and has successfully designed one such that it's hard to switch to a competitor (rather it's easier to stay in the ecosystem). I wonder how many years it will take before I can convince some people that I actually just prefer Apple's phones to competing phones and that I'm not actually brainwashed or forced by Apple to never leave. But that's exactly what a bra…

I switched to my first iPhone last year and for me the determining factor was not feeling I had to constantly be on the upgrade path. I've has my iPhone SE (2020) and haven't been happier with a phone. A taken care of iPhone can theoretically last 7-8 years since that is how long an iPhone generally gets OS and security updates. Android is getting better on flagship phones, but still not as good. By some none flagshi…

I got the Galaxy Note 10+ over 3 years ago and I can't imagine a a phone without a stylus now. The ability to take a note in a second without opening the phone is worth its weight in gold to me. As soon as somebody makes a foldable with a stylus I'm all in, just wish there was more options than Samsung.

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Post by christophilus »

oblio wrote: post #236
samatman wrote: post #60

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I remember when I got my first Retina laptop screen, it was nice but I quickly just got used to it. Then, I found myself using the earlier machine, without the high DPI. That learned me. It was hard to imagine all the work I'd done staring through a screen door at those pixels. Similarly, I've been using the M1 MPB since I got it. I only remember that it never makes noise when I'm reminded of it, such as in this conv…

> That learned me. That taught me?

> That taught me?

That larned me?

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Post by samatman »

hmottestad wrote: post #123
skybrian wrote: post #113

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So, basically the Retina display didn't do anything except spoil you for tech that was okay before. That's good for the manufacturer, but this sort of hedonic treadmill seems like something to avoid?

Apple improves some things that users don’t strictly need. Like the speakers on their laptops, I don’t really need them to be as good as they are but it sure is enjoyable.

It's not just Apple of course, everyone who can afford it uses high DPI screens now.

Pixels aren't there to be seen, there is literally no display which wouldn't be, ceteris paribus, better at high DPI.

It's like speakers which hiss: easy to ignore until you spend time with ones which don't.

The notion that I care about a clearer picture on the screen I use to make my living, for hedonic reasons, is pretty comical actually. It's straightforward ergonomics which pays off in a lot of ways.

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