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Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Post by CydeWeys »

pclmulqdq wrote: post #448
jacobolus wrote: post #327

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This is total nonsense. Wealthy professionals regularly get away with much more egregious thefts than petty shoplifting, the police do a lot more harassment of poor people than rich people, and lack of response to shoplifting is not about race.

What thefts do software engineers regularly get away with? I've never heard of a software engineer committing wage theft, for example. I'm not saying that police should hassle someone for sleeping on the street. I'm saying they should arrest people for stealing stuff. That's not harassment. That's justice.

Huh? You don't even know what wage theft is.

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Post by rufus_foreman »

bobkazamakis wrote: post #458
jshzglr wrote: post #378

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You can replace the police force, nothing will change. When cops feel unwanted and disrespected they act accordingly. There's a reason we have a history of unwarranted respect for cops and military members. It's not because they always deserve it, but because you want them to feel like they do.

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No one can figure out what is wrong with San Francisco.

It's a complete mystery.

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Post by NotYourLawyer »

bombcar wrote: post #300
NotYourLawyer wrote: post #286

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San Diego weather is better.

Depends on exactly what weather you want. There’s a statistic called degree days https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/units-and-calculators/de... and by some calculations Santa Barbara wins. The whole California coast is pretty moderate. Once you’re a bit from the ocean it can be pretty nice year-round, many houses don’t have heating or cooling to speak of.

SF is a little chilly for my taste, and who really likes fog?

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Post by systemvoltage »

jcranmer wrote: post #461
systemvoltage wrote: post #413

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There are very specific criminal justice reform and soft-on-crime policies that lead to this. If you go to Tokyo, you'll be put in jail for doing drugs. Most likely extremely tough prison sentence of a decade or more. It prevents people from doing drugs and getting trapped in the spiraling destruction of self. Here in America, we have NYC and SF opening clinics to comfortably allow people to shoot heroine in the comf…

The US has the world's highest incarceration rate (and by some distance--it's about 10% higher than the second highest rate, El Salvador, and 300% higher than the highest rate among the EU countries), and Japan is around the 20th lowest. This strongly suggests that incarceral policies are not the most effective solution to reducing crime.

Yea, we've been telling ourselves this and let's do more of the same for another 2 decades and completely destroy the fabric of society.

Put it the other way, if crime rates would increase hypothetically in Japan, you'd see a proportinal increase in incarcination rate. May be, that there are cultural differences and the crime rates are vastly different between Japan and USA. Disincitivization from hard-on-crime policies could be a non-linear function that we're just glossing over. Highly functional at low crime rates.

But the answer shouldn't be to throw the baby with the bath water and turn public parks into heroine shooting sites. Progressives have been doing this consistently, destroying our nation for last 3 decades of lies and misunderstandings of criminal justice system. Experiments like CHOP and CHAZ, which abandon all law & order are the epitome of the progressive dysfunction.

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Post by readthenotes1 »

topaz0 wrote: post #469
readthenotes1 wrote: post #126

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Is someone's stealing something off your porch not stealing? This level of crime used to be something we'd attribute to failed communities and not acceptable for civilized people (those living in cities)

Amazon stole (to the court's knowledge) 8.2 million dollars from its workers and was not penalized. Was there a poll about that too?

whataboutism!

Or as my mom told me, two wrongs do not make a right

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Post by hbien »

I've had my car broken into twice in SF. Everyone's response to this is always "you can't leave valuable things in your car". Both times, my car was empty. Nothing was stolen. I have never left anything valuable in my car -- visible or hidden, trunk or otherwise. Not sure why people keep giving me this advice.

I always keep a roll of duct tape and some cardboard in the car now. I tape up my quarter glass (the smallest of the rear windows that thieves love to break) and cover it with cardboard, to make it look like its already been broken into. I also leave my back seat down w/ a clear view into the empty trunk. That's the only thing that works.

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Post by bigwheeler »

recursive wrote: post #456
loeg wrote: post #70

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I don’t think I’ve had any theft incidents in many years in Seattle.

I visited Seattle for 9 days, and had my car smashed. There was nothing even in it.

I was in Seattle for 5 days and had my $8500 mountain bike stolen from within my car (they broke a window to get in), parked in the lot of a 4 Points Sheraton.

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Post by jcranmer »

ratsmack wrote: post #400
tchaffee wrote: post #325

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Switzerland had a huge heroin problem. They fixed it by decriminalization and treating it as the medical problem it really is. You can now get the addictive drugs injected at your doctor's office. Both petty theft and addiction plummeted. So it's not the addictive drugs causing these things. It's the policy around drugs that is causing it. See also how Portugal reduced a widespread heroin and crime problem.

1) You can now get the addictive drugs injected at your doctor's office. 2) ... and addiction plummeted. Hmmmmmmm... It doesn't make sense.

Why? Here are several plausible causative links:

* Addicts are more effectively targetable for interventions to reduce or eliminate addiction.

* A safer environment may reduce other pressures that cause addicts to keep resorting to addiction.

* Supervised injections may let you go onto a schedule that lets you slowly wean yourself off of addiction. (e.g., using naloxone and methadone in lieu of heroin).

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Post by barry-cotter »

jacobolus wrote: post #383
Spooky23 wrote: post #360

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NYC: > “Bragg said the office will stop prosecuting people for theft of services, trespassing (unless it accompanies a stalking charge), aggravated unlicensed operation, routine traffic violations not accompanied by felony charges, obstructing governmental administration, resisting arrest, and prostitution.“ https://gothamist.com/news/manhattan-da-bragg-tells-staff-st... The Manhattan DA subsequently claimed to roll…

> openly evading Subway fares Nobody has ever cared about this (nor should they, IMO; disclaimer: I have never lived in NYC). Occasionally journalists go to NYC to interview random residents about fare evasion, and the main response is a shrug. Frankly, we’d all be generally better off with free public transit. Governments end up paying most of the bill anyway, and increasing transit use would be a big benefit to tho…

> Frankly, we’d all be generally better off with free public transit. Governments end up paying most of the bill anyway, and increasing transit use would be a big benefit to those most needing help.

Not for long. If you turn public transit into a de facto homeless shelter people who have other options will avoid it. No country with good public transport has it free.

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