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Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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It's so obvious that Musk was not really interested. The social balance was totally non-existent in this conversation. Musk's one line replies sound so generic. Seems like he wanted to keep the door open but Dorsey hadn't convinced him really yet. "I'd like to help if I can" is such a without obligation sentence. Then Jack replies with another well-designed text.

Generally I might agree but not in this instance. This is typical Elon Musk communication style.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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> he wants a system where there are gatekeepers Does he? He says "it can't have an advertising model" and that it shouldn't be centralised. > in his view these gatekeepers should be baked into the protocol I don't see how that could in practise be done, and my reading is that Dorsey either doesn't want it or doesn't think it's possible (or both).

In practice you rally all of the Bitcoin HODLers who are "desperate" and on average have "decent" losses - and want Bitcoin to become popular again, and ideally for them, become mainstream. This then incentivizes them to use only platforms and services that are integrated with Bitcoin (et al), in order to try to continue the charade that Bitcoin overall provides a net benefit, in hopes that its price, based on demand…

Re-reading this: a Freudian slip perhaps, I meant to say cohesive group - not coercive.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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A CEO is just an employee, paid by the shareholders to do the job shareholders want him to do. Usually, the job is "get us rich". The CEO can do a lot of things regarding the company direction, but it has to match the shareholders goals. Generally, if it doesn't make profit short term or long term, it is unacceptable, and here, Jack Dorsey essentially wants to kill Twitter as a company, so of course he can't do that.…

Maybe there is something to the dual class structure where the founder retains control while financing the operation. It was always taught in business school as bad corporate governance, but empowering the founder has upside too and may even be positive in the long run.

See: Patagonia and recent news around it.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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See my comment below but TL;DR I’d like to hear a bit more about “the great team” rather than Musk because I know behind that interview what hard work people are going through to make the things he is showing off happen. “Great job team…thanks for making me trillions” https://twitter.com/heydave7/status/1536015578091048960 This one , as someone who often reads these types of mails is just a pep talk, to tell someone…

Here you go: https://youtu.be/KeswYJgf5mM > I’d like to hear a bit more about … Not everything is about you and the world doesn’t owe you anything . I’m afraid.

You got to say it, congrats

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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I'm amuse to find that https://urbit.org/ is a lot more legit-looking than it used to be. Good for them. Is it still based on 'Hoon' and 'Nock' though? Because inventing your own nonsense programming language is antithetical to a serious attempt at building something.

Except for the times it’s not. C was invented at some point too. Nock and Hoon serve a purpose and exist for a reason.

In principal there might be a time where it's necessary. In practice Nock and Hoon aren't it and are a joke.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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When you hear Musk being interviewed you'd certainly have to believe otherwise, he definitely claims he is the brains behind a lot of innovation.

That's because he is the brains behind a lot of innovation. If you're looking for companies which had plenty of technical talent but no one of his calibre providing a coherent and technically sound vision, there's a whole graveyard of e.g. private space companies out there, and a hospice full of ones that will inevitably end up in the ground soon.

I personally see that as his role in society, just like someone else in the companies role might be to grind 50 hours a week on making some shit telemtry service for rocket engine computers to send data too.

Some of it might be luck, some jobs are more desirable, but it's just how I see things.

I think we're arguing whether or not "greatness" exists or is more something we invent, a mental construct.

I personally think it's more of an illusion and some people are just "lucky" there job is to set a vision while others jobs seem more rudimentary...one can't exist without the other. The rich entrepreneur persona cannot exist without the minions below, and in that sense, it's an illusion to me.

It's actually why I think the conversation was ridiculous in the first place given the subject of conversation. It was a very blaze way to talk about a rather important project...more than anything, I was just having a laugh about how far out humans can get.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Welcome to the eternal september of HN, missed the beginning of HN you could have conversation even with CEOs.

People want openness, transparency, freedom, participation regardless of whether they are CEOs or not. Now HN's got it.

There was all of that from the beginning. The difference now HN is well known world wide.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Does Mastodon have measures vs bots and spam?, I think that's one of the issues they want to face for an alternative to Twitter.

Yes, it does. Mastodon heavily emphasizes its moderation features. Pleroma has some moderation controls but does something even more powerful with its MRF [0]. Lastly, if you want to have crypto/web3 to monetize the content distribution, there is Mitra [1], which is an AP-server being developed by ONE person and in less than a year has delivered more than the whole vapoware from Bluesky team has done since Jack annou…

Really interesting about Mitra!.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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>He did none of that single-handedly though Can you name some engineering accomplishments that have been done "single-handedly" and thus qualify as real engineering?

You just have to love the different collapsible goal posts everyone sets up for each other.

What are you actually talking about, what goalposts ?

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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post #452

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See my comment below but TL;DR I’d like to hear a bit more about “the great team” rather than Musk because I know behind that interview what hard work people are going through to make the things he is showing off happen. “Great job team…thanks for making me trillions” https://twitter.com/heydave7/status/1536015578091048960 This one , as someone who often reads these types of mails is just a pep talk, to tell someone…

Here you go: https://youtu.be/KeswYJgf5mM > I’d like to hear a bit more about … Not everything is about you and the world doesn’t owe you anything . I’m afraid.

I actually thought more about this and I am curious, why you sent that video, what goalposts are you referring too?

I'm saying that I personally believe that Musk can have a pretty large ego at times, I don't find him to be a particularly humble person. I cite the time he injected himself into the Thai Cave Rescue and then called the guy who rejected his ideas a "pedo guy"? That's the type of thing I'm talking about.

Whenever I see him interviewed I can't help think of all the smart people who help him become that successful...why are you so worried about that?

I think that thread with JD is kind of reflective of my feelings. It's a blasé way to talk about a fairly large scale project which would have pretty big large impacts for a lot of people, including shareholders and employees at the company (Twitter), and to just talk about it like you're inviting someone to the movies seemed funny to me.

It almost just feels like you had that link bookmarked and were looking for someone to send it too?

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