It's so obvious that Musk was not really interested. The social balance was totally non-existent in this conversation. Musk's one line replies sound so generic. Seems like he wanted to keep the door open but Dorsey hadn't convinced him really yet. "I'd like to help if I can" is such a without obligation sentence. Then Jack replies with another well-designed text.
Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022
471–480 of 507 posts
Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022
#472Earlier quoted context omitted.
> he wants a system where there are gatekeepers Does he? He says "it can't have an advertising model" and that it shouldn't be centralised. > in his view these gatekeepers should be baked into the protocol I don't see how that could in practise be done, and my reading is that Dorsey either doesn't want it or doesn't think it's possible (or both).
In practice you rally all of the Bitcoin HODLers who are "desperate" and on average have "decent" losses - and want Bitcoin to become popular again, and ideally for them, become mainstream. This then incentivizes them to use only platforms and services that are integrated with Bitcoin (et al), in order to try to continue the charade that Bitcoin overall provides a net benefit, in hopes that its price, based on demand…
Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022
#473Earlier quoted context omitted.
A CEO is just an employee, paid by the shareholders to do the job shareholders want him to do. Usually, the job is "get us rich". The CEO can do a lot of things regarding the company direction, but it has to match the shareholders goals. Generally, if it doesn't make profit short term or long term, it is unacceptable, and here, Jack Dorsey essentially wants to kill Twitter as a company, so of course he can't do that.…
Maybe there is something to the dual class structure where the founder retains control while financing the operation. It was always taught in business school as bad corporate governance, but empowering the founder has upside too and may even be positive in the long run.
Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022
#474Earlier quoted context omitted.
See my comment below but TL;DR I’d like to hear a bit more about “the great team” rather than Musk because I know behind that interview what hard work people are going through to make the things he is showing off happen. “Great job team…thanks for making me trillions” https://twitter.com/heydave7/status/1536015578091048960 This one , as someone who often reads these types of mails is just a pep talk, to tell someone…
Here you go: https://youtu.be/KeswYJgf5mM > I’d like to hear a bit more about … Not everything is about you and the world doesn’t owe you anything . I’m afraid.
Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022
#475Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm amuse to find that https://urbit.org/ is a lot more legit-looking than it used to be. Good for them. Is it still based on 'Hoon' and 'Nock' though? Because inventing your own nonsense programming language is antithetical to a serious attempt at building something.
Except for the times it’s not. C was invented at some point too. Nock and Hoon serve a purpose and exist for a reason.
Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022
#476Earlier quoted context omitted.
When you hear Musk being interviewed you'd certainly have to believe otherwise, he definitely claims he is the brains behind a lot of innovation.
That's because he is the brains behind a lot of innovation. If you're looking for companies which had plenty of technical talent but no one of his calibre providing a coherent and technically sound vision, there's a whole graveyard of e.g. private space companies out there, and a hospice full of ones that will inevitably end up in the ground soon.
Some of it might be luck, some jobs are more desirable, but it's just how I see things.
I think we're arguing whether or not "greatness" exists or is more something we invent, a mental construct.
I personally think it's more of an illusion and some people are just "lucky" there job is to set a vision while others jobs seem more rudimentary...one can't exist without the other. The rich entrepreneur persona cannot exist without the minions below, and in that sense, it's an illusion to me.
It's actually why I think the conversation was ridiculous in the first place given the subject of conversation. It was a very blaze way to talk about a rather important project...more than anything, I was just having a laugh about how far out humans can get.
Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022
#477Earlier quoted context omitted.
Welcome to the eternal september of HN, missed the beginning of HN you could have conversation even with CEOs.
People want openness, transparency, freedom, participation regardless of whether they are CEOs or not. Now HN's got it.
Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022
#478Earlier quoted context omitted.
Does Mastodon have measures vs bots and spam?, I think that's one of the issues they want to face for an alternative to Twitter.
Yes, it does. Mastodon heavily emphasizes its moderation features. Pleroma has some moderation controls but does something even more powerful with its MRF [0]. Lastly, if you want to have crypto/web3 to monetize the content distribution, there is Mitra [1], which is an AP-server being developed by ONE person and in less than a year has delivered more than the whole vapoware from Bluesky team has done since Jack annou…
Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022
#479Earlier quoted context omitted.
>He did none of that single-handedly though Can you name some engineering accomplishments that have been done "single-handedly" and thus qualify as real engineering?
You just have to love the different collapsible goal posts everyone sets up for each other.
Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022
#480Earlier quoted context omitted.
See my comment below but TL;DR I’d like to hear a bit more about “the great team” rather than Musk because I know behind that interview what hard work people are going through to make the things he is showing off happen. “Great job team…thanks for making me trillions” https://twitter.com/heydave7/status/1536015578091048960 This one , as someone who often reads these types of mails is just a pep talk, to tell someone…
Here you go: https://youtu.be/KeswYJgf5mM > I’d like to hear a bit more about … Not everything is about you and the world doesn’t owe you anything . I’m afraid.
I'm saying that I personally believe that Musk can have a pretty large ego at times, I don't find him to be a particularly humble person. I cite the time he injected himself into the Thai Cave Rescue and then called the guy who rejected his ideas a "pedo guy"? That's the type of thing I'm talking about.
Whenever I see him interviewed I can't help think of all the smart people who help him become that successful...why are you so worried about that?
I think that thread with JD is kind of reflective of my feelings. It's a blasé way to talk about a fairly large scale project which would have pretty big large impacts for a lot of people, including shareholders and employees at the company (Twitter), and to just talk about it like you're inviting someone to the movies seemed funny to me.
It almost just feels like you had that link bookmarked and were looking for someone to send it too?