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Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by timbit42 »

erik_seaberg wrote: post #22
guidedlight wrote: post #8

Given EV’s should have price parity with ICE by 2025-2027, I think its obvious that EV adoption should accelerate. Unless you are purchasing a very cheap sub-$20k car, EV’s should become the only choice by 2030. https://insideevs.com/news/506465/evs-price-parity-europe-20...

The price difference needs to include owning a house vs. renting an apartment.

Make an offer to your landlord to pay for a charger installation for your parking spot.

Eventually EVs will be so common that landlords will be falling over themselves to get chargers installed so they aren't pariahs.

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JKCalhoun wrote: post #60
RichardCNormos wrote: post #47

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A lot of what-ifs. I suppose you go solar coupled with a whole-house battery storage system. Probably win a court case (and sizable payout) against a corporation cancelling your ability to drive your own car.

> Probably win a court case (and sizable payout) against a corporation cancelling your ability to drive your own car.

They would cancel your license to the software that operates the car. John Deere already does this with their industrial-scale farming tractors.

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tapoxi wrote: post #66
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I'm really not sure how my Volkswagen will not let me drive because of something I said on Twitter. Electric utilities are also regulated monopolies, they can't just cut my power without running afoul of a ton of laws. Even in such a ridiculous scenario, you can make your own electricity. You can't make your own gasoline.

I live in the part of California where the power company does just cut the power for days upon days, for the sole purpose of limiting their own liability for wildfire.

Just because they are a regulated utility does not mean they care about you. They will do anything and everything that their regulators will let them get away with.

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Post by nicoburns »

blahedo wrote: post #272
therealrootuser wrote: post #187

As someone that is currently in the market for a new car, I would love to get an EV, but I also don't have a good way to charge. Seems like most EV owners just charge at their house, but what about people that don't have access to a good power tap? (apartment dwellers, renters, etc.) Sometimes it feels like there is a group of EV elites out there that are predicting the complete demise of ICEs while conveniently down…

Thanks for raising this issue—as you point out, it's often ignored—but I'd posit it's even worse than you (and others on this thread) indicate. When the issue is framed at all, it's usually boiled down to "landlords won't want to install chargers in the apartment garages" with the possible counterpoint of "demand will force them to" or there will be subsidies or etc etc. But there are vast, vast numbers of people who…

We have street-side car charging in my neighbourhood in London now, and it didn't seem to be too difficult to install. There's a mix of outlets retrofitted into lampposts, and ports sunk into the pavement. I don't think they had to dig up the whole street. Just locally where they were actually installing the charging port.

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Post by timbit42 »

8f2ab37a-ed6c wrote: post #95

The thing holding me back as a renter is that a lot of buildings still don't have any way for you to charge your EV. So unless you're into hunting for available public charging sites, you're SooL.

Offer to pay your landlord's cost to put one in for you.

Eventually landlords will be falling over themselves to install chargers so their apartments will remain rentable.

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Post by timbit42 »

asdff wrote: post #339
d--b wrote: post #315

What are the main obstacle to cheap EV? Today's car are heavy as hell compared to cars made 30 years ago. Is it possible to make cars that are build on a much lighter base, but that use a heavier/cheaper battery (sodium based?)

Yeah, its called an ebike. When you are using a vehicle as large as an electric car to run your errands, probably 95% of the energy is spent just to move the vehicle around, not you or your groceries but just the vehicle to A and B. With a 50 lb ebike and a few panniers running those groceries versus a 5000lb ev, you are doing the same work but a lot more of the energy spent is going to the actual work, moving you an…

There are also enclosed ebikes for inclement weather, such as the Organic Transit ELF and the BetterBike PEBL.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by katbyte »

epistasis wrote: post #232
katbyte wrote: post #219

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I can keep a couple jerry cans of gas around and toss them in the back of a ICE to get 150-200% of my range, or share with people in need. You cannot do this with an ev.

Sure thing, but keeping 10 gallons of gasoline is more than a couple of cans. And even then, so what? How many people need to do that, or will ever do that, except for off-roading or obscure jobs? This is a legitimate use, but for a vanishingly small number of people. Back when LED lights were first being pushed, we saw a lot of the same resistance to a new product that was superior for nearly every single use case,…

20L can is half to a quarter of range, two 20L cans will fill the tank of a miata, half the tank of a tacoma.

For people in a city who never leave it? EVs are great. Everyone else not so much. Personally I think plug in hybrids are the future because they overcome this but seems everyone just wants to push pure evs.

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Post by katbyte »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #235
katbyte wrote: post #222

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Running out of gas is an easy fix, go get a jerry can of petrol. What happens to an ev? Tow to the nearest charger?

Mobile charging is a possibility: > Most gas-powered generators that your roadside assistance will come with provide 9.6 kilowatts and generate 240 volts. Inquire with your roadside assistance provider to know whether they offer a mobile charge. Often that not, they may be offering it. Ya, they are coming with basically with a diesel generator that outputs 240 volts...which should give you 20 or so miles in 30 minute…

Heck of a lot more involved (and expensive) then getting a jerry can filled.

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Post by timbit42 »

gravelc wrote: post #247

I currently have a Toyota hybrid that is slowly reverting to an ICE-only after 8 years of ownership. Unless there's some mechanism in place to prolong the life of electric cars beyond the limits of their battery, I can see there'll be a lot of holdouts (young people, less well off etc.). Regulation in the big markets such as the US and Europe to enforce a cost-effective approach to battery replacement seems essential…

Perhaps something has happened to your battery or the charging equipment. My 2006 Prius still gets great fuel economy. I'd get Toyota to check it.

A taxi driver in Vancouver had a 2004 Prius and drove 1 million kilometres only changing tires, bulbs and wipers and it was still going when Toyota bought it back from him and shipped it to Japan to study it.

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