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Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by oofdere »

ignoramous wrote: post #436
craigkerstiens wrote: post #17

This is a sad day. Pricing changes are always hard, and having been through some of the earlier pricing changes at Heroku you can't make everyone happy. But, so many developers deployed their first app on Heroku and was a staple for so many bootcamps. Without it I'm confident we'd have less developers in the world. It is still one of the gold standards for developer experience. Years after its heyday companies and to…

> But, so many developers deployed their first app on Heroku and was a staple for so many bootcamps. Heroku was a product for its time. These days, I see most students use replit.com (in India, at least), including as part of course curricula at universities (paid plans). I'd say replit has since replaced heroku as the getting started tool of choice. As for heroku, there are many NewCloud companies waiting to pounce:…

https://deta.sh is another serverless option but I do worry about their path to profitability.

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by rrix2 »

toyg wrote: post #457
xenadu02 wrote: post #453

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, this is about optimizing profitability. They were bought by Salesforce and that whole cohort (Salesforce, Oracle, et al) are machines optimized to extract as much money as possible from the Fortune 1000. Salesforce doesn't need a free tier to generate product leads. They have an army of sales people to push the product to customers that will write them big fat checks, then hand down edicts from the CTO's office r…

Yes, but that's all stagnant tech - dead in all but name.

yup, and their enterprise clients don't care, maybe they even prefer that. in the mean time, it gets salesforce enough capital to leverage to acquire the next generation of leaders to stagnate and extract. the wheel spins on...

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by arthurcolle »

CoffeeOnWrite wrote: post #277
joshstrange wrote: post #233

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Which coincides with about the last time Heroku was relevant/competitive. This is just an example of the parent company tightening the screws some more (see also [0]). [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32174596

This is just wrong info. Search HN comments from ‘craigkerstiens, an early employee. Significant innovative product development continued for a few years after the acquisition.

A quick Google of this dude's handle/name and the first link is his blog with a reflective article about his experience at and subsequent departure from Heroku:

https://www.craigkerstiens.com/2022/05/18/unfinished-busines...

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by drusepth »

This seems like really, really short notice. I have probably a hundred or two apps that I'll need to migrate off before I even get to my paid apps (which I'll also be migrating off after).

I really appreciate all the alternatives people have mentioned in the thread so far. Setting up a giant company cloud on AWS sounds fun, but with this little notice I'll probably just check out Fly/Render to get all my OSS demos/PoCs/etc moved somewhere... And my guess is that wherever I decide to go for that will make that platform the path of least resistance to move my paid apps to, too.

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by rdegges »

Sad day, indeed.

I remember meeting @craigkerstiens through Heroku -- I started using it back when they first released a beta Python buildpack. I also made friends with a ton of amazing people over the years through Heroku. It was a magical company with amazing engineers.

Over the years I've written a lot about Heroku on my blog (https://www.rdegges.com/), and even wrote a book on Heroku many years ago (https://www.theherokuhackersguide.com/), which really helped improve my technical writing chops, and got me into the public eye.

RIP Heroku

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by effingwewt »

Kinrany wrote: post #470
effingwewt wrote: post #464

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No, young kids use google for nothing other than search, and they are getting off that too. I'm more and more hearing 'search' or 'look up' instead of 'google' as a verb. My kid's circles of friends consider email to be like snail mail/phone calls- nothing but spam. I warned them about g-products for years while they were growing up, but I needn't have worried- they see g/fb/insta/snap et al for the garbage it is. Mo…

Do they still use WhatsApp despite it being owned by Facebook?

Yea, I warned them when the purchase went down, there was a migration to telegram and discord but they still use it as far as I know.

I'm just glad it's the lesser of the available evils. I definitely have friends with kids in the same age range (and family members of the same age) who use insta-makeup IRL and have phones out taking pics all the time.

Still email is something considered necessary to sign up for stuff, not something they closely associate with their identity, or something they'd be scared to lose.

I was hearing on the radio the other day the average person will use something like 140+ email addresses in their lifetime. Found the article they were discussing here[1]

Between jobs, schools, throwaways and over many years this seems feasible.

[1] https://studyfinds.org/digital-footprint-social-media/#:~:te....

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by type0 »

Kinrany wrote: post #470
effingwewt wrote: post #464

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, young kids use google for nothing other than search, and they are getting off that too. I'm more and more hearing 'search' or 'look up' instead of 'google' as a verb. My kid's circles of friends consider email to be like snail mail/phone calls- nothing but spam. I warned them about g-products for years while they were growing up, but I needn't have worried- they see g/fb/insta/snap et al for the garbage it is. Mo…

Do they still use WhatsApp despite it being owned by Facebook?

Not despite, most are unaware it is even owned by them

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by drusepth »

ab-dm wrote: post #462

I’m finding it interesting that THIS is the reason that people are now determined to move, rather than the constant outages/issues they’ve had over the last 6 months. Nothing about this is remotely surprising. Over the last 12 months their reliability has nose dived and their support has become borderline useless. We’re planning on migrating to Fargate in the next 6 months. I am VERY much looking forward to shutting…

The outages have made me want to move, but this announcement puts it on a faster timeline. This probably won't affect most of my paid apps (we'll see how free staging and review apps in paid pipelines fare), but it does tell me they don't care about proper notice and make me worry I'll find myself trapped into having to migrate on their schedule versus when I have time, sooner or later.

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by DangitBobby »

effingwewt wrote: post #464
eastbound wrote: post #391

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What prevents adults from sharing movies from their GDrive, is the consciousness that Google might revoke this account, the backup account and all of your identity for life. Unfortunately, if you did this to youngsters, they’re too young to have read enough horror stories.

No, young kids use google for nothing other than search, and they are getting off that too. I'm more and more hearing 'search' or 'look up' instead of 'google' as a verb. My kid's circles of friends consider email to be like snail mail/phone calls- nothing but spam. I warned them about g-products for years while they were growing up, but I needn't have worried- they see g/fb/insta/snap et al for the garbage it is. Mo…

When I was in high-school and college, I felt the same way. However, you basically can't get any adulting done without an email address, so I had no choice but to come around.
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