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Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Post by XorNot »

dont__panic wrote: post #431
XorNot wrote: post #376

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Signal very obviously has a finite lifespan, but in the moment it's best in class for privacy.

Very obviously? Am I missing something? That being said, I'm strongly considering switching to a Matrix client these days, since I like the idea of encrypted chat that works across whatever client I prefer. If you're knowledgeable in the encrypted chat space I'd love to hear your thoughts on the pros and cons.

Signal is anti-federation, so it's limited to the quality that moxie can enforce so long as he can enforce it.

Realistically, if he steps down for any reason and someone decides they need to layer in ads to support it...that'll be the end.

I would desperately like Signal to have a commercial service offering you can pay for which would of offer the possibility of sustainment.

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Post by robgibbons »

ParksNet wrote: post #323
mgraczyk wrote: post #40

TikTok is winning because it is video first. The more immersive the media, the more profitable the ads. Facebook is having trouble pivoting it's products to video. Facebook is betting big that the next more-immersive medium after video will be VR. That's basically the whole story. Notice I didn't use the word "algorithm" or "social"? These takes are tired and naive, TikTok isn't addictive in any operationally useful…

Phone hardware and telecommunications networks have only recently been powerful enough to support a TikTok-like social network. Video wouldn't have worked in 2015 in an era of 3G/4G phones and 4 inch iPhone 5's.

Vine launched in 2013, Periscope in 2015. I'm sure there are others. TikTok definitely takes advantage of the new hardware with their filters though.

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Post by jv22222 »

swores wrote: post #391
jv22222 wrote: post #298

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Here's an HN bubble aspect. You can't use any title you want, for example, they will regularly edit the title and thus effectively change the general meaning of the submission as read by most folks who just skim titles. Which has the knock on effect of making the post less (or more) desirable for users to read/upvote. For example titles starting with "How I ..." are auto stripped to "I ..." there are quite a few othe…

I'm not convinced the title rules on HN are having a major impact on which stories get upvotes on a frequent basis, but that's just my intuition and you may be massively right. In which case I urge you to, when you see an example where you think the policy has indeed had a negative effect (which I'd also suggest isn't quite as basic as "did it lower the expected number of upvotes" but also "and not because it removed…

Super helpful reply, thanks! I'm not on the site too much these days but will send any that I notice!

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Post by tekknik »

Falkon1313 wrote: post #413
spdionis wrote: post #90

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Chat has not been around since the 90s, not in the form that is used today.

It didn't have emojis or videos back then, but otherwise it hasn't changed much.

No, we had ascii art and point to point file sharing (DCC).

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Post by tekknik »

rphv wrote: post #173
dont__panic wrote: post #17

> [TikTok]'s addiction-based advertising machine is probably close to the theoretical maximum of how many advertisements one can pour down somebody’s throat. Well put. It's interesting that we pivoted in my adult lifetime from: 1. Myspace's emphasis on sharing things on your own webpage, essentially a hosted blog 2. Facebook's evolution from "hosted blog" to "friend update aggregator" to "chat client" to "friend upda…

> If we're lucky, that means a federated, open, mostly-ad-and-suggestion-free open source social media experience can fill the power vacuum for intimate, interpersonal, high-latency communication over the internet. Worth mentioning is Jimmy Wales' effort in this vein: https://wt.social/

Imo this depends on your definition of open. Others being allowed to edit your content opens the door for abuse from opposite political parties.

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Post by jacooper »

ryangibb wrote: post #467
awa wrote: post #341

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I hadn't heard of newpipe before so just installed it and found that it had much more intrusive ads than regular YouTube.

I had the same experience, but hopping over to F-Droid from the Play Store provided a different NewPipe (instead of 'Newpipe') that I believe is the pertinent one.

I think you download a clone of new pipe.

There is no Newpipe on the Play store, it breaks the T&S of the play store.

Here is the official website for Newpipe https://newpipe.net/

Git repo https://github.com/TeamNewPipe/NewPipe

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Post by jacooper »

awa wrote: post #341
jacooper wrote: post #131

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She can use custom apps for YouTube like Newpipe, which offer YouTube experiences without ads and Shorts.

I hadn't heard of newpipe before so just installed it and found that it had much more intrusive ads than regular YouTube.

I think you download a clone of new pipe.

There is no Newpipe on the Play store, it breaks the T&S of the play store.

Here is the official website for Newpipe https://newpipe.net/

Git repo https://github.com/TeamNewPipe/NewPipe

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Post by tekknik »

dizzystar wrote: post #336
dont__panic wrote: post #17

> [TikTok]'s addiction-based advertising machine is probably close to the theoretical maximum of how many advertisements one can pour down somebody’s throat. Well put. It's interesting that we pivoted in my adult lifetime from: 1. Myspace's emphasis on sharing things on your own webpage, essentially a hosted blog 2. Facebook's evolution from "hosted blog" to "friend update aggregator" to "chat client" to "friend upda…

I'm curious how you can to this conclusion. Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter were always vehicles for advertisers. I suppose it was more acceptable because it was from "influencer marketing," which was taken so far that the FTC had to step in and start fining influencers for dishonest marketing. I guess it is different than "we are interrupting your current show for this important topic," but to be honest, I think th…

TV created influencer marketing. Since before social networks existed products would make appearances in shows. See Sheldon drink a coke in big bang theory, that was paid for. See someone shopping at a particular store in a mall, paid for.

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Post by tekknik »

XorNot wrote: post #471
dont__panic wrote: post #431

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very obviously? Am I missing something? That being said, I'm strongly considering switching to a Matrix client these days, since I like the idea of encrypted chat that works across whatever client I prefer. If you're knowledgeable in the encrypted chat space I'd love to hear your thoughts on the pros and cons.

Signal is anti-federation, so it's limited to the quality that moxie can enforce so long as he can enforce it. Realistically, if he steps down for any reason and someone decides they need to layer in ads to support it...that'll be the end. I would desperately like Signal to have a commercial service offering you can pay for which would of offer the possibility of sustainment.

> I would desperately like Signal to have a commercial service offering you can pay for which would of offer the possibility of sustainment.

That will kill it even quicker. What does this look like? All users have to pay to have an account? Now you’ll have less users and miss out on network effects. If only some users have to pay, what do they get besides feel goods? Ad removal? They’re stuck, Signal must continue being free. So agreed, Signal has a finite lifespan

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Post by badtension »

throwaway0asd wrote: post #445
badtension wrote: post #419

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Thank you, I have been reading about dark patterns recently and how damaging they are so you really got my attention now. I will try to do my own research on how it's done but if you can expand a bit on confusion and dark pattern elimination that would be very much appreciated. I feel like everything I ever stumbled upon regarding A/B testing was "sales funnel optimization" which seems to be the root of much evil.

The goal of any product oriented business is purchase through a point of sale. That is called a conversion. Dark patterns emerge when a seller attempts to influence the behavior of a purchaser beyond decisions most beneficial to the purchaser, which is not always intentional. One example of dark pattern elimination occurs when steps in a purchase process are dramatically reduced. That reduction eliminates opportuniti…

Ok I have a clearer picture now but it's still something that would probably need case by case analysis to get a full grasp what is possible and how to use it for the customer and not against him. Thank you.
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