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Twitter says Musk’s spam analysis used tool that called his own account a bot

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Re: Twitter says Musk’s spam analysis used tool that called his own account a bot

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Post by jollybean »

sbf501 wrote: post #425
jollybean wrote: post #291

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The fanboyism is quite considerably amplified by his public statements. Without them, we may not get much press at all from him, he may be a bit of an unknown quantity. His Social Media / PR is a gigantic part of his value. It distorts reality to a much, much larger audience. Do you remember 'Maroon 5' the band? They had 'Really Big Hits' back in the day . Banger / Chart toppers. But it wasn't until the lead singer w…

My dad is an 82 year old Musk fanboy. Why? Because Musk made fun of Elizabeth Warren. My dad likes him because Musk trolls people that my dad doesn't like. Period. Musk took Rush Limbaugh's place, along with Hannity and Carlson. But I think any liberal/left-ish person who grew up with super conservative parents has lived this their entire lives.

Your father is like most people.

That said, Musk is nowhere near as outrageous as those talking heads.

Re: Twitter says Musk’s spam analysis used tool that called his own account a bot

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Post by Banana699 »

davesque wrote: post #330
jjeaff wrote: post #105

Imagine this whole ordeal playing out on a house that was not listed for sale. The buyer starts harassing the homeowner to sell to them, they say no, so he buys up the mortgage lender and tries to force a sale. His antics are hurting the home's value so you relent to selling and give him an as-is sale contract, which he signs and gives you 24 hrs to respond or he will try to force a sale. All the while, this is of co…

You left out the part where the buyer will also destroy the city in which the house is located purely out of spite if he is forced to go through with the purchase. That is, I fully expect Musk to go full troll mode and reverse bans on all the bad actors who have been rightfully kicked off the platform if he's forced to buy Twitter. He'll claim it's for free speech when it's really just to own the libs.

>He'll claim it's for free speech when it's really just to own the libs

Those 2 goals are aligned.

Re: Twitter says Musk’s spam analysis used tool that called his own account a bot

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Post by Kaze404 »

ErikVandeWater wrote: post #221
jjeaff wrote: post #105

Imagine this whole ordeal playing out on a house that was not listed for sale. The buyer starts harassing the homeowner to sell to them, they say no, so he buys up the mortgage lender and tries to force a sale. His antics are hurting the home's value so you relent to selling and give him an as-is sale contract, which he signs and gives you 24 hrs to respond or he will try to force a sale. All the while, this is of co…

Well this analogy leaves out Twitter censorship, which makes Twitter unlikeable.

Twitter, the platform where trans people are routinely called pedophiles and groomers by prominent figures and nobodies alike, has a censorship problem? I can't imagine the kind of vitriol you have to spew to get banned off Twitter that's not just tripping the automatic ban for telling someone to die (which everyone is aware of at this point).

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Post by Banana699 »

1270018080 wrote: post #241
ErikVandeWater wrote: post #221

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Well this analogy leaves out Twitter censorship, which makes Twitter unlikeable.

Adding to the analogy: The current owners of the home regularly remove swastikas spraypainted on their house by vandals, and some people call this a violation of free speech.

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Post by slavak »

refurb wrote: post #451
phailhaus wrote: post #78

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It's insane because Twitter has been very careful to explain that the 5% number is not some sort of "promise". > Additionally, our calculation of mDAU is not based on any standardized industry methodology and is not necessarily calculated in the same manner or comparable to similarly titled measures presented by other companies. Similarly, our measures of mDAU growth and engagement may differ from estimates published…

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You kinda can, though.

https://www.scienceabc.com/innovation/why-do-hard-drivesusb-...

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Post by Vespasian »

davesque wrote: post #330
jjeaff wrote: post #105

Imagine this whole ordeal playing out on a house that was not listed for sale. The buyer starts harassing the homeowner to sell to them, they say no, so he buys up the mortgage lender and tries to force a sale. His antics are hurting the home's value so you relent to selling and give him an as-is sale contract, which he signs and gives you 24 hrs to respond or he will try to force a sale. All the while, this is of co…

You left out the part where the buyer will also destroy the city in which the house is located purely out of spite if he is forced to go through with the purchase. That is, I fully expect Musk to go full troll mode and reverse bans on all the bad actors who have been rightfully kicked off the platform if he's forced to buy Twitter. He'll claim it's for free speech when it's really just to own the libs.

Very unlikely for him to deliberately destroy Twitter.

Most of the deal is financed by banks and they have a vested interest in Twitter having at least a shot at being more valuable or profitable.

He is but it with cash but (mostly) not his own so deliberately running the company into the ground could make him liable for damages.

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Post by ALittleLight »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #474

I just find it a little hilarious that Twitter is even attempting to counter the bots claim. You have to spend 5 minutes reading the replies to tweets by prominent politicians to know that its filled with bots

Yeah, but that just shows there are a lot of bots. There are a lot of twitter users too. 5% of a lot (of Twitter users) as bots equals a lot of bots. So, that's consistent.

What about all the tweets that aren't famous politicians? What about the orders of magnitude more people who just read, and maybe like, tweets?

I don't think "I see a lot of bots" is an argument that the 5% number is wrong.

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Post by plouffy »

Sebb767 wrote: post #36
zinekeller wrote: post #18

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> Twitter committed fraud by lying to the SEC about the mDAU numbers with the intent of inducing Musk to buy Twitter at an inflated price. What is that commonly-used aphorism? "One man's trash is another man's treasure"? Like, even if this is true , Musk didn't do (and subsequently waived) due diligence. > No, really, this is the allegation No further comment on it. > Count 2 is that Twitter committed [Texas fraud st…

> What information? The contract is already in the public, but okay you want to waste court time. The contract stated that Twitter had to provide Musk with internal data as required to close the deal. His teams tokens were apparently rate-limited at some point and it took a while for Twitter to give him access to all data, a.k.a. 'the firehose'. Just for completeness sake, Twitter seemed to still try (the token thing…

Twitter was contractually obliged to give him data to help him close the deal, not to help him find a way to squirrel out of the deal.
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