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Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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Post by CPLX »

hackyhacky wrote: post #334
CPLX wrote: post #204

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Yup. The second you prioritize one piece of content over another by other than an automatic means like chronological order or votes you're not presenting user generated content any more, you're making editorial decisions. The fact that we've tolerated this for so long is appalling.

The overwhelming majority of content on social media is curated by automatic means. Manual curation at that scale, is, as you know, infeasible.

Automatic perhaps, but still editorial in the decision making process.

As soon as you start deciding to show some content and not other content based on the content of the communications you're making editorial decisions. Algorithms or not, it's a judgement call.

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Post by sudosteph »

finder83 wrote: post #450
sudosteph wrote: post #418

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Great summary! It's not actually talked about much, and not even well understood by many Protestants themselves, but it actually is a sacrament in most major Protestant traditions I'm familiar with (Reformed[1], Lutheran[2], Anglican, Methodist[4]). Zwingli was the only major reformer I know of to take purely memorialist stance, while Luther, Calvin, and Wesley all professed some degree of presence (spritual presence…

Thanks for correcting me, I was completely off on that! I realized after your post that I was thinking of transubstantiation instead of sacrament/ordinance. I'm Baptist and both in the 1689 confession [1] and the baptist faith and message 2000 [2] it's considered an ordinance, so most southern baptist churches to my knowledge consider it an ordinance, even those that are reformed-leaning. There are also other non-mai…

No worries, it was something I actually had to research recently myself after seeing the results of a poll of users' beliefs on /r/reformed where people were asked about their own beliefs on eucharistic presence. I was raised methodist and attend a reformed (presby) church now, so I appreciate your perspective as as a Baptist as well! I don't exactly know the difference between an ordinance and sacrament (and the WCF seems to refer to it as both), so I'll check out those links for sure.

Definitely agree that most every Protestant church would agree that it's not a means of salvation, but I do think most would call it a means of grace though.

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Post by F_J_H »

strix_varius wrote: post #223
jonnycomputer wrote: post #57

I sort of feel compelled to quote the Bible here, though I'm not religious. "So when you give to the needy, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do ... to be honored by men. Truly I tell you, they already have their full reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father, who sees what is done in s…

> "do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing" I see Matthew worked as a mid-level manager in a tech company.

Joking aside, Something I find fascinating about ancient wisdom literature that has been in circulation for centuries - honed and refined generation after generation, is how succinctly key concepts are boiled down in ways that can be easily grasped/remembered. (In this case, avoiding conflict of interest/segregation of duties.)

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Post by mjevans »

teakettle42 wrote: post #399
alias_neo wrote: post #384

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My wife and I, individually, and on various occasions over the years, have paid for random strangers' shopping. We don't do social media, we don't even tell anybody, except for this one time, right now to support your point, so I think it's appropriate in this case. We've told each other because we talk about our finances and it's reasonably to discuss why the grocery bill was double triple, etc what it would have be…

Would you mind sharing how you do this without making it awkward for the recipient or a spectacle? I’ve never been able to work that part out.

Some supermarkets have two output buffers after a checker, seems easy to offer to pay just as the person in front finishes or to wait around a little to pay for the next person.

You might also just pass 5 to 10 x 20 USD cash (or local equivalent) to the cashier and have that applied to the next person in line, and let them work out how to split any leftovers on their own.

I've never done either of those things myself, but I did feel horrid enough about our government during an extended shutdown over budget stuff to directly support the food bank with some 'staples' from Costco as well as a just outright cash donation back when that BS happened last.

Directly supporting the food bank is also an option that can help the even more needy.

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Post by sorry_i_lisp »

gambiting wrote: post #433
ALittleLight wrote: post #395

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I'm sure he is making a profit off it but whatever good is happening is still getting done. He could be a famous YouTuber by playing pranks or video games and make millions too - is that better? I share an unsettled feeling about this. I think it is because things like this are a visceral reminder of differences between the rich and poor. A life altering struggle for a poor person is a solved by ten minutes of amusem…

>>I'm sure he is making a profit off it but whatever good is happening is still getting done. I'm not saying it's not. I don't want him to stop. But I don't think I'd call it charity personally(and some people do, that's why I'm making this point). Like, let me try again with an example - if you pull $10k out of your account and give it to a homeless person, that's charity, right? Ok, but what if you get someone to i…

MrBeast is in the business of arbitrage.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

admax88qqq wrote: post #245
winternett wrote: post #156

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So much of the content I see now on TikTok and other apps is totally staged, and quite often poorly staged at that. It would be interesting to know who funds the production of many of the videos, because there's obviously an advertising scheme or some sort of moneymaking ploy behind a lot of it. I think things really took off with the people who were making "gold-digger" videos, where a guy tries to talk to a girl an…

It's interesting how you're complaining about so much content being staged. I much prefer that this type of content is staged. The alternative appears to be harassing random strangers like the case in the article. With staged content the only victim is the duped audience who can always just not watch TikTok.

I like watching dash cam videos. I would hate to see a staged one, and would complain loudly about it not being real. That doesn't mean I want more accidents and near-accidents, it means anyone faking a dash cam video should not submit anything at all.

If you want to do a skit, make a skit.

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Post by allisvancity »

vel0city wrote: post #318
swat535 wrote: post #264

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Everything in the Bible, including what Christians are supposed to be like, should be viewed through the lens of Jesus on the cross. The idea is that you are supposed to imitate Christ in your life for salvation which is reaching Heaven i.e glorifying God, the Father forever via achieving the Beatific vision. So the "reward" in this case is you becoming one with Christ and thus closer to God. It's not a "currency" to…

Is that last part really a Christian (in a wide sense) thing or just a Catholic thing? I definitely hear it at Catholic Mass but I have not experienced it at most protestant Eucharist ceremonies.

In terms of the specific wording, most anglophone churches that use a historic liturgy have some form of this prayer (it comes from Matthew's gospel): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayer_of_Humble_Access

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Post by toomanyrichies »

yoda97 wrote: post #77

It's funny that I have never seen a negative review of that video on the internet until the woman spoke up, shows you how fake most people are.

If the woman hadn't spoke up, how would anyone have known the truth of what happened /her side of the story / the the immorality of the video creator's actions?

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Post by highwaylights »

jodrellblank wrote: post #107
highwaylights wrote: post #20

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I don't want to tar an entire generation with the same brush, but I have noticed that younger people seem to be really taken in with these very shallow like-farming operations on YouTube and TikTok. Mr Beast is incredibly successful at this, in that his stunts produce massive numbers for very little outlay. A friend's kid in his teens was telling me about how he's the most generous person he's ever seen and it make m…

> " I really don't want to be that guy and wade into it with a "well, actually". " Be that guy; what's your criticism about Mr Beast's generosity? He does a lot of content which could be fake; like giving his friends $20,000, but ones which look more serious and genuine and costly include: - Opened a "free bank" where he loaned money into six figures to local people, then surprise! it's not a loan, they can keep it:…

Since you insist:

Any one of the aforementioned things could have been done at any time, anywhere, on an ongoing basis, that would have helped communities in a sustainable way.

When he gives the cars away, or makes loans to people, he often films people getting significantly different amounts (or items of significantly differing value) simultaneously. I would assume the reactions are more valuable when someone has gotten less than one of their friends in the same group - this in particular is cruelty, not kindness.

Even setting the above aside, the big issue I have with it is that it’s not charity or altruism but is masquerading as such for profit. This is his business. Every act is a carefully calculated profit/loss equation relative to how many views he thinks he can get.

Typically philanthropy would be considered willingly disposing of money you earned elsewhere when it’s not necessary for you to do so, in order to help a cause.

Beast isn’t doing this. He’s reinvesting his profits into growing his business.

You wouldn’t call a mechanic a philanthropist for fixing people’s cars for money, even though they’ve done something that people appreciated.

At best, Beast is redistributing the ad revenue from his viewers and skimming signifcantly from the top (given that it’s expected he’s approaching billionaire status).

For what it’s worth I do respect his business acumen. He’s found a good hustle and is working it very well.

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Post by highwaylights »

slillibri wrote: post #104
Graffur wrote: post #73

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What is your opinion on Mr Beast? I just watched a video of his for the first time and he gave away over $500,000.

Mr Beast is a game show host. He’s not giving away his own money yet everything is framed as the giant act of generosity on his part. He’s giving away money much like Bob Barker gave away kitchen sets.

I’m stealing this comparison. It’s mine now. I came up with it.
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