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Re: Everything with a battery should have an off switch

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I watch my Roku SmartTV about 3 times a week for about an hour or two (most of the rest is on my PC)

During that time, I maybe tap the buttons a dozen times as i scan around to the app and the thing i want to watch.

I have to replace the 2 AAA batteries inside that thing easily every 3 months. WHY.

Re: Everything with a battery should have an off switch

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post #448

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> Compare it to Linux UIs where you often have to grab a single pixel border on a 4k monitor to resize a window. On Linux you hold the super/windows key and click/drag anywhere on the window to move it, or right-click/drag anywhere on the window to resize it. It's much easier than using thick borders. Discoverability is admittedly not great, but this feature easily coexists with window borders. Microsoft could keep t…

Translation: “Don’t do it the way everyone else does it or the way you’ve always done it; our designer decided to make that hard for and instead we offer this hard-to-discover non-idiomatic workaround. “You will grow to love the workaround because it doesn’t hurt nearly as much, kind of like stopping after you’ve been hitting yourself in the head with a hammer.”

I think you've just described the "design" philosophy of GNOME.

Re: Everything with a battery should have an off switch

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post #235

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> by spinning a dial When we moved into our current house, it had a microwave like that. When we replaced it, my primary requirements were 1. multiple fan speeds, and 2. a nice, simple touch pad for entering the time; preferably one where you didn't need to press a button before starting to enter the cooking time. The dial thing is... infuriating. It never once found a situation where it made using the device better,…

> The dial thing is... infuriating. It never once found a situation where it made using the device better, and in most situations it made it worse. Digital dials can be nice in some cases. My parents had an oven with a dial for the temperature. Spin it either way to increase or decrease the temperature by extra 5 degrees. I loved it. It was so much better than the touchpad design. The range of actual temperatures in…

> The range of actual temperatures in an oven is pretty small

The range of temperatures you use is about 200 degrees?

Re: Everything with a battery should have an off switch

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post #465

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Assuming that you use Windows, run the Event Viewer as admin. In the Event Viewer go to "Windows Logs"->"System" and look for events from source "Kernel Power". Find a wake-up event and read the report. It will tell you what caused this event. Happy debugging!

Thanks! I'll try this out

Feel free to reply here later, I’d be happy to hear whether that helped with figuring out your problem!

Re: Everything with a battery should have an off switch

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post #123

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> I've lost track of the number of times I've lamented "did anyone actually use this?" We have a combination oven and microwave (yes...) that seems to have been designed with the primary purpose of enraging the owner. The microwave can only be set in 15 second increments. But you can fine-tune it, in five-second increments, by spinning a dial. Except that you can't do that while the oven is on. The microwave makes a…

If "the operating noise" is the cooling fan for the magnetron, it keeps going when the time is up to cool it down. Mine does the same, but actually says "COOL" on the screen when it does so.

The problem with this is that it prevents you from knowing when the microwave has finished.

Re: Everything with a battery should have an off switch

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Tell us why you think it’s relevant.

Sure. Sibling comments to my comment explain that the continued "operating noise" is a cooling mechanism that's required by the microwave oven. So, it wouldn't be a good idea to just rip that part out of the design. Even if it may be annoying. Perhaps a better explanation is needed, like some models showing "cool" in the display. But it's per se not a design oversight. Chesterton's Fence is about not changing things…

No, absolutely not. This is not a problem that other microwaves have. It seriously impairs the functioning of the microwave. Chesterton's Fence tells us that there is no cost to eliminating this ridiculously awful functionality, because other microwaves already don't do it. An explanation doesn't help in any way. The solution is to stop misbehaving.

Re: Everything with a battery should have an off switch

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I like to walk into cell phone stores and ask if they have any phones with an off switch. These are of course rare and only sold by niche companies like Pine and Purism. Everything else just looks like it is off while it is still transmitting in low energy mode.

Wait... If I power off (not sleep) a typical phone, it still transmits?

I know there's the baseband processor that does its own thing, but I would've thought the userland "off" state shuts that off, along with everything else except for whatever watches the power button and battery charging.

Re: Everything with a battery should have an off switch

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post #243

> Oh, great, this debate again! I shall use this post as ammunition next time I am arguing with our stupid design team about why we need an off switch on the stupid product we are designing, because it is a giant pain to live with devices you cannot turn off. I increasingly subscribe to the thesis that many designers and design teams design primarily in an effort to impress other designers . They don't have to use th…

> I increasingly subscribe to the thesis that many designers and design teams design primarily in an effort to impress other designers. They don't have to use the things. They often don't even really care if the things work at all. They care that other designers - their artistic peers - are impressed. I've been a designer for about a long time. I've done many dumb things, but never that. I have definitely had the irr…

Agreed. I find dumb design usually comes from two pools: inexperienced designers and cost cutting measures. What's a switch to a company but another point of failure that they can't as readily blame the user on?

Re: Everything with a battery should have an off switch

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Related to the topic, besides the energy argument and the ability to cycle system state, I'd argue the huge importance of being able to power things off for personal freedom, especially for things with connectivity. We still have the power to shut off devices and largely the ability to block their connectivity (e.g. routing TV ads through a network filter). With 5G and future connectivity, it feels as there will be p…

Cars already do this kind of comms; Teslas are in permanent communication with head office, and I think the Volkswagen ID3 electric will be as well. Charging by harvesting ambient signals is a thing without needing ubiquitous dedicated charging stations, for very low power uses: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=electronics+charging+from+ambient+...

It won't be many years until the bluebottle fly which came in the window, round the room and off into your house, is indistinguishable from a camera drone from the census bureau, your insurance company, your nosey neighbour. And then many more years until Vernor Vinge's "smart dust".

Check out the size of the cameras on the Tobii 3 eye-tracking glasses, for example: https://www.tobiipro.com/imagevault/publishedmedia/71ru67v90...

Re: Everything with a battery should have an off switch

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post #171

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"Fix" what? That the medium or style they choses to express themselves doesn't work well for you? Well, tough; that's your problem, not his. They're not your bitch. The entitlement...

> That the medium or style he choses to express himself doesn't work well for you It doesn't work well for thousands of people, which is why there are always complaints. You can say the exact same things about his post asking them to fix the controller. Oh "the entitlement" and "that's his problem, not the controller manufacturers". We're asking him to fix his posts. He's asking them to fix the controller. When somet…

> "He's asking them to fix the controller."

No he isn't, he's fixing it himself.

> "When something is suboptimal, you're well within your rights to complain about it."

You can complain about it on your own Twitter. Here, it's explicitly against the HN guidelines: "Please don't complain about tangential annoyances—things like article or website formats, name collisions, or back-button breakage. They're too common to be interesting." - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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