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My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by mackeyja92 »

cortesoft wrote: post #456
mackeyja92 wrote: post #450

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not sure. The ISPs are charging $150+ for 10G plus you pay Utopia network $30/mo for the fiber line. So $180/mo total for the cheapest ISP.

Sure, but the ISP has to pay for transit, too. You aren’t going to be able to get settlement free peering as an ISP like that.

I don’t have a ton of knowledge in this area and am probably missing some things. But, I figured if they’re already able to offer 10G for $40/mo when they have to run their own physical infra on top of the peering and data center costs then they should be able to do it at a higher margin without. That higher margin could be a boon for them towards building their own infra in their current service area as well.

If they kept the same price then the total cost to the end user would be ~$70 for 10G. Which is less than half of the cheapest option available.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by ksec »

A lot of people are joking ( or not ) about 640Kb memory ought to be enough. Well the average computer system has the same 1Gbps Ethernet and 8GB Memory for the past 15+ years. And there are nothing on the current roadmap to suggest this is going to change in the next 8 years ( 2030 ). i.e The Power Law.

With 1Gbps or 100MB/s you could download 6GB in a min, roughly the size of an OS update or with 10Gbps internet which isn't as far fetch as others have said in comments, it takes less than 10s to download the update. It then takes 15min if not more for the CPU to work those 6GB files before the update finishes.

PCI-E 6.0 gets 8GB/s for 1x or 16GB/s for PCI-7.0. Ignoring the power / heat issue. We now have I/Os that are way quicker than how the CPU could response. The whole Software and Computer ecosystem may need a rethink to gain more performance.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by antihero »

arcade79 wrote: post #397
antihero wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What exactly about gis/satellite data required such an insane uplink?

What exactly is insane about it? I was surprised when my parents had 1Gbit in 2009. I was delighted when I could get 500Mbit in 2013. I'm slightly miffed that I don't even get 1Gbit in 2022. I literally laugh at providers attempting to convince me to get whatever with 10 or 20Mbit uplink speeds, in 2022l Yes, they exist. Anyhow. What's insane about a 10Gbit uplink? I wired up my apartment for 1Gbit in 2001. I've been…

I have 1Gbit Virgin in the U.K. and that speed us still very rare here. Any faster and I’m going to have to be searching for a better USB NIC in order to actually utilise anything. Most consumer hardware seems to still be 1000baseT so how would you utilise anything more than a gigabit connection unless you have 10+devices all working at maximum capacity? Also I rarely max it downloading anything at all, is there some sort of special internet somewhere that you can download stuff at 10Gbps?

Finally, can your SSD even keep up with speeds like this?

**Oh and I thought I’d note, it is the positive use of “insane” like “mad good”.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by traceroute66 »

I smell marketing hype.

Don't get me wrong, I'm super jealous and of course I'd love to have a 25Gbit connection at home.

But I think we need to step back from the Kool Aid for a moment and ask ourselves:

      - What's the likelihood of the remote servers you are connecting to having a 25Gbit connection ?
      - Even if the servers do have >=25Gb connection, what are the chances of the server sysadmin allowing one user to hog a large chunk of capacity ?
      - Even *IF* the answer to the above two questions is positive, what are the chances of your magical 25Gbit ISP having sufficient backbone + peering + transit capacity to fulfill the 25Gbit to its users at all times ?
I foresee a lot of contention/bottlenecking and basically a lot of reliance on "not everyone will be using it at the same time".

I also suspect the small-print of the ISP could make for interesting reading.

EDIT TO ADD:

Found the relevant clause in their conditions:

The Internet subscriptions for private customers are intended for normal personal use. Init7 reserves the right to temporarily or permanently restrict or discontinue the provision of services for connections whose data volume exceeds 0.5 petabyte (500 terabytes) in a period of 4 weeks, or to take another suitable measure.

I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader as to how long it takes to transfer 500TB on 25Gbit ;-)

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by rubatuga »

geoka9 wrote: post #130
Existenceblinks wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in a rural city in Thailand, fiber 2Gbps is $50 / mo. And this is just for normie. Like unimpressive.

I'm in a top 10 most expensive city in the world (Canada) and the best I can get for $50 is 80 Mbps (and even that is only available as a promotion that you can't get by simply going to the ISP's website and buying a plan).

In Winnipeg, Canada, I get 500Mbps up/down for 75$.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by consp »

antihero wrote: post #473
arcade79 wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What exactly is insane about it? I was surprised when my parents had 1Gbit in 2009. I was delighted when I could get 500Mbit in 2013. I'm slightly miffed that I don't even get 1Gbit in 2022. I literally laugh at providers attempting to convince me to get whatever with 10 or 20Mbit uplink speeds, in 2022l Yes, they exist. Anyhow. What's insane about a 10Gbit uplink? I wired up my apartment for 1Gbit in 2001. I've been…

I have 1Gbit Virgin in the U.K. and that speed us still very rare here. Any faster and I’m going to have to be searching for a better USB NIC in order to actually utilise anything. Most consumer hardware seems to still be 1000baseT so how would you utilise anything more than a gigabit connection unless you have 10+devices all working at maximum capacity? Also I rarely max it downloading anything at all, is there some…

> Finally, can your SSD even keep up with speeds like this?

COTS nvme SSD can easily do 1GB/s which easily maxes out non-optimized 10Gbit due to overhead alone. Burst that is for write, but you get the idea.

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Post by AdrianB1 »

404mm wrote: post #174

Firstly … 25Gbit symmetrical … WOW. Secondly - as a person living my whole life in IT - both passion and professionally - I have no idea what would 25Gbit be good for. I’m currently paying about $80 for symmetrical 1Gbit fiber and have the option to upgrade to 5Gbit for about $180 but it seems so pointless. Here is the reasoning behind my grumpy opinion: 1. Living in a home with Cat5 throughout so the best I can do i…

I recently put some fiber (AOC, to be precise) in a multilevel European building - brick and concrete. It was not trivial, but not a PITA.

25Gbps is for multiple transfers from multiple sites to multiple computers. For example I transfer large files for work (up to 100 GB) from multiple sources and it takes a long time and consumes all the bandwidth in the building. If I download at lower priority (implement some QoS) then it takes even longer. I can see 25 Gbps eliminate the bottleneck and allow everyone in the building to have their regular use (video conferences, movie streaming, gaming, whatever) without me impacting. I would never use more than 1% of that bandwidth on average, but I would peak more than 1 Gbps quite often. Yes, 10 Gbps would be more than enough, but if the cost is the same then 25 Gbps seems more future-proof, at a cost (SFP28 equipment is much more expensive than SFP+).

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Post by kayoone »

pph wrote: post #261
kayoone wrote: post #201

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Gigabit internet is quite widely available through different cable providers in Germany nowadays. Also the country side seems to be moving up, the very rural place where I grew up (and where my mom still lives) had a max of 2Mbps DSL for the last 20(!) years and now the whole area is being upgraded to fibre and will enjoy 10/1Gbps by the end of the year!

The drawback is that cable it is a shared medium, so it can be quite bad when demand is high (in the evening) and the upload bandwidth usually is very low.

Yeah the classic argument, but at some point every internet connection becomes a shared medium. It really depends on how the network is setup and where the fibre backhauls start. If the building has older wiring which can only support 1Gbps and you have a bunch of high bandwidth users, then yes it can affect your bandwidth more than using other technologies.

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Post by bick_nyers »

jotm wrote: post #22
Tepix wrote: post #9

Consider me drooling. I'm currently on 1000/50 cable internet, which is already quite nice. Telekom is laying fibre but it's not clear yet whether or not they will stop short of this house. Also i suspect it will be a while before they offer better than 1000/500 service.

I hate asymmetric connections. You get gigabit download but something stupid like 20-100 Mbps upload? Just why... Upload speed matters just as much as download these days.

What really sucks is the ratios these cable companies go with, 1000/50 is a 20/1 ratio. Having something like 500/100 would be light-years better for the vast majority of people even though you would be sacrificing overall bandwidth.

Perhaps it's a conspiracy to have less tech-savvy work-from-homer's keep bumping up their speed plan because their upload speed isn't up to snuff for video meetings. Either that or cable companies feel they need to compete on advertised download speeds with fiber, which is a losing battle.

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