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Re: Asian-Americans fight back against school discrimination

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Post by temp8964 »

SyzygistSix wrote: post #452
temp8964 wrote: post #432

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I don't think most people would change their behaviors even after they are exposed to other cultures. There is an opposite force to prevent you from engaging in "beneficial habits". In Blacks kids, there is a commonly known term called "acting White". Kids can actually be laughed at for studying hard.

Do you think normalizing the successful behaviors will increase the backlash? I would think it would do the opposite. And I would disagree with anyone that said that becoming highly educated, at least in the modern sense, necessitates giving up one's culture.

When even the first African American President didn’t want to do that, there’s no other person can do that without being called a racist. Sometimes what matters is not being correct, but being politically correct.

Re: Asian-Americans fight back against school discrimination

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Post by 3pt14159 »

twofornone wrote: post #403
3pt14159 wrote: post #390

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The injustices of the present need to be solved still. In America the way schools are funded in many states is such an obvious shorthand for racist school funding there isn't a level playing field.

This isn't true. Underfunding is not the issue with underperforming schools in the US. If you want to improve outcomes in inner city schools you need to fix the broken local culture first, but it's sort of chicken and egg. http://thinkaboutnow.com/2016/03/debunking-the-underfunded-p...

https://www.vox.com/22266219/biden-eduation-school-funding-s....

Compare the homepages of the two. I know which one I trust more.

http://thinkaboutnow.com/

https://www.vox.com/

Re: Asian-Americans fight back against school discrimination

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Post by shadowgovt »

someguydave wrote: post #458
shadowgovt wrote: post #433

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Sorry, that was an error on my part: freedom of association (in the context of providing public accomodation) was curtailed by the Civil Rights Act, not assembly. And your beef isn't with progressives if that's something you're taking issue with; it's with a couple generations of the Supreme Court, which is considered a relatively conservative branch of the government. (IANAL disclaimer) The freedom of association ha…

> I don't think you'll find a receptive ear Yes, anyone neutral or right of center knows all about that unreceptive ear.

I'd have to know what arguments you're thinking of in particular to have any opinion on why they don't find a receptive ear.

Without knowing that, broadly speaking: freedom of speech has never implied freedom to have people agree with you. And freedom of the press implies a lack of obligation to publicize information the owner of the press doesn't want to promulgate. It also implies an editorial right to modify published information, ideally with explanation but that explanation is not required (the back-stop on that right being if the public thinks the press's output is trash, they don't have to care what it has to say).

Some positions, you can argue until you're out of breath. If the position is bad, the argument won't win support no matter how much breath is put into it.

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Post by bradlys »

twofornone wrote: post #403
3pt14159 wrote: post #390

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The injustices of the present need to be solved still. In America the way schools are funded in many states is such an obvious shorthand for racist school funding there isn't a level playing field.

This isn't true. Underfunding is not the issue with underperforming schools in the US. If you want to improve outcomes in inner city schools you need to fix the broken local culture first, but it's sort of chicken and egg. http://thinkaboutnow.com/2016/03/debunking-the-underfunded-p...

Sorry. It is true. I went to schools that could only afford a four day week. Couldn’t even afford the fifth day. This is still happening.

School funding is still an issue.

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Post by AniseAbyss »

notSupplied wrote: post #422
AniseAbyss wrote: post #368

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The fallacy of meritocracy. You stand on the shoulders of your parents. If you come from a family of crackheads on the bad side of the rail tracks you already lost the race long before 8th grade.

Spending extra time reading to your kids, sending your kids to tutors, paying for summer programs, sweating over neighborhood to move into for their good schools...many of these things are now considered “inter-generational privilege transfer”. But not long ago, they were simply called “good parenting”. Why even bother doing good parenting when the ideologues in charge want to “fallacy of meritocracy” away any advant…

Indeed we would have to make everyone completely equal. Mao tried to achieve this with the abolishment of the family.

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Post by AniseAbyss »

someguydave wrote: post #402
AniseAbyss wrote: post #368

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The fallacy of meritocracy. You stand on the shoulders of your parents. If you come from a family of crackheads on the bad side of the rail tracks you already lost the race long before 8th grade.

what is the fallacy exactly?

The fallacy that you went to that nice university because you're smart and not just lucky.

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Post by paulcole »

cyber_kinetist wrote: post #315
paulcole wrote: post #293

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I’m assuming you mean startup founders (be sure to genuflect when you say that) but I can all but guarantee that the overwhelming majority of business founders in the US did not attend Ivy League schools.

Though these startup founders are both directly and indirectly funded by the power structures (investment firms, think tanks, the government) maintained by these Ivy League school graduates. Think how all these startups are getting loads of "trickled-down" money from the Fed's money printer. Look at the list of chairs of the Federal Reserve and most of them are from prestigious Ivy League schools, you get what I mean…

The take that the economic elite are mostly from Ivy League schools feels markedly different than the take that most people who found startups are from Ivy League schools.

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Post by [deleted] »

Chris2048 wrote: post #269
TulliusCicero wrote: post #201

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> Ultimately, I can't justify the idea of rejecting students based on race, but when I look at those demographics I just don't see much to get worked up about. If you look at those particular stats, sure, it doesn't sound particularly objectionable. But if you look at others: https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/15/politics/harvard-affirmative-... > Under questioning from SFFA lawyer John Hughes, Fitzsimmons detailed some of…

> "sorry, we have enough people of your color This is how US green card applications work too though.

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Post by bradlys »

raxxorrax wrote: post #393
AniseAbyss wrote: post #368

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The fallacy of meritocracy. You stand on the shoulders of your parents. If you come from a family of crackheads on the bad side of the rail tracks you already lost the race long before 8th grade.

While this is very true, you cannot force all parents to become crackheads, so you will always have different outcomes. We have the same problem with wealth in that regard. You can only improve education in a way that is offers support for people in difficult homes. Perhaps their difficult childhood will ultimately hinder them from becoming the best. But then perhaps their children will fare better.

This is why we can do things to make up for the fact that society has failed these children.

If you make it so that only “merit” is considered - you’re only gonna get rich kids. (And I see this already through SV - it’s nothing but rich or well educated parents for the children here)

What is the argument against letting children who have had a rough lot in their life get a slight lessening of their handicap when applying for colleges or other life changing scenarios that could pull them out of their rut for future generations?

If you don’t and are unwilling to address the root cause (and we aren’t willing to address that in the US - we don’t even have universal healthcare yet guys) then you’re gonna keep having this shit continue.

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Post by jquery »

SamReidHughes wrote: post #129
jquery wrote: post #96

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> The conservative WSJ using Asians as a wedge against Black people, Actually, they're using them as a wedge against universities, because (in their opinion) they're communist-infested indoctrination centers that scam humanities majors out of six figure sums of money. Harvard would be ruined if it had to turn itself into UC Berkeley. There's also the angle of chipping off some of the Chinese- and Korean-American elec…

All this post-racial idealism would land a lot better if we didn’t just get over 4 years of Trump, and if he wasn’t polling better than our current President.

Given that, all these concerns about our precious post-racial paradise if it weren’t for those meddling progressives seems more than a little self-serving and disingenuous. I wonder how much confidence these keyboard warriors would have in person if they had to tell a black person’s lived experience of American racism was nonsense.

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