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Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by jml7c5 »

hiyer wrote: post #440

When a section of Indian farmers imposed similar blockades on Indian highways, Trudeau was shilling their "right to protest" to pander to his Sikh voters. This despite the fact that the Indian protests were far from peaceful - devolving into riots[1], and the protest sites being venues for rapes[2] and gruesome murders[3,4]. With peaceful protests in his own backyard, Trudeau has forced private organisations to block…

As far as I can tell, the comment by Trudeau that you're referencing was two months before the events in your earliest link. Did he make comments later, after riots began?

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Post by tlear »

dc-programmer wrote: post #188
toolz wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

well back when government buildings were being burned down and people were getting shot - it was commonly and correctly referred to as "mostly peaceful protesting"

In Canada?

Yeah Montreal getting looted, statues being destroyed the usual. It did not get to the US level of "peacefulness" thankfully

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Post by BenjiWiebe »

ecf wrote: post #292
jcadam wrote: post #124

An obvious response to this, that doesn't involve blocking any roads, is for truckers to simply go on strike. Imagine if even a quarter of Canadian truckers just decided to sit at home and not move anything.

Driving is something teenagers are expected to handle. Hell, we trust teenagers behind the wheel of a one ton killing machine before we let them purchase cigarettes or consume alcohol. Something tells me finding replacements wouldn’t be hard to do.

Driving trucks is more difficult. For instance trucks are mostly (all?) unsynchronized manual transmissions. They take skill and experience to operate.

It's also more difficult safely braking/turning/accelerating a very heavy load like a loaded trailer as opposed to a passenger vehicle.

Some local trucking businesses in my area are training people to drive since there's a shortage of drivers. It takes a while to get someone to the point where they can get their commercial driver's license.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by abledon »

tw600040 wrote: post #436

When protests were happening in India this is what Trudeau had to say: "Let me remind you, Canada will always be there to defend the rights of peaceful protesters. We believe in the process of dialogue. We’ve reached out through multiple means to the Indian authorities to highlight our concerns. This is a moment for all of us to pull together,"Justin Trudeau said. https://indianexpress.com/article/india/situation-is-…

was it only the 10% fringe farmers protesting? or the 90% majority of farmers?

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Post by rasz »

Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #172
vorpalhex wrote: post #8

> The Emergencies Act is the modern-day replacement to the War Measures Act. It allows the federal government to force companies to provide services, it can require public protests to end, and limit mobility rights by preventing people from moving to designating areas. > > The act also allows for the military to be used as police, but several sources said that is not under active consideration. Not a good look for Tr…

He wouldn't have had to invoke emergency act if the Ottawa municipal police, the ones responsible for maintaining order in the city of Ottawa, did anything at all. They sat on their asses for weeks. The municipal leadership was non-existent, the ontario provincial leadership was non-existent, so what's left?

Non action is an action by itself, of support for the cause.

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Post by akerl_ »

pomdapi wrote: post #427
akerl_ wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seizing funds from criminals to restrict their ability to perpetrate and profit from crime is a tool used by law enforcement in essentially every country, and has been happening for a long time. There’s plenty of areas of this that are misused (see things like civil asset forfeiture), but the overarching strategy of freezing bank accounts isn’t novel or dystopian. Edit: it’s a bit sneaky to change “AT ALL” to “WITHOU…

Yeah, but in most countries there is due process in front of a judge to do that. You can't just have the executive decide they can do that using pure administrative action to seize property. Also, you generally also have to prove in a court of law there was a crime before you can do anything at all. The US civilian asset forfeiture (and now in Canada too, it seems) are actually quite unique in that regard outside of…

As has now been called out by the person I replied to, when I typed my reply, they said seizing funds “at all” was dystopian. They’ve now amended the comment to specify without the involvement of the judiciary.

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Post by jdright »

themaninthedark wrote: post #465
WesternWind wrote: post #191

Some facts (and a few polls) suggest that the Trucker convoy isn't a broadly popular movement of truckers as much as a well funded tiny minority without broad support even from truckers. First 90% of Canadian truckers are vaccinated. https://newrepublic.com/article/165341/fox-news-vaccine-cana... Evidence suggests that funding for this protest is in large part foreign (IE not from canada) and that most canadian donat…

>Evidence suggests that funding for this protest is in large part foreign (IE not from canada) and that most canadian donations are from wealthy business owners, not workers Others have addressed the fact that more than half the funds are from Canada. Imagine if someone tried to discredit BLM by saying that most of the funding came from wealthy business and not individual black community members...

https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7wpax/freedom-convoy-givese...

> the majority of donors come from the U.S. (56%) and Canada (29%)

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Post by bawolff »

vorpalhex wrote: post #8

> The Emergencies Act is the modern-day replacement to the War Measures Act. It allows the federal government to force companies to provide services, it can require public protests to end, and limit mobility rights by preventing people from moving to designating areas. > > The act also allows for the military to be used as police, but several sources said that is not under active consideration. Not a good look for Tr…

> This definitely looks like an authoritarian response to a loss of mandate.

He has a minority government. A weak one at that. If he really lost his mandate there would be a snap election already.

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Post by bawolff »

daenz wrote: post #353
jsjsbdkj wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no "loss of mandate". The Canadian people are overwhelmingly vaccinated and don't mind wearing masks. 90+% of truckers are fully vaccinated. Canadians re-elected Trudeau during the pandemic. The issue is that Ottawa Police were afraid of media backlash if they did any crowd control for the initial "protest" weekend. This allowed the occupiers to move in heavy machinery as barricades. When the weekend ended an…

>The Canadian people are overwhelmingly vaccinated and don't mind wearing masks. 90+% of truckers are fully vaccinated. Then why require the mandate? I haven't seen any answer to that question besides the implied: "because we demand full compliance."

Well yes. Vaccines are most effective on a population level.
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