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Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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I'm completely unsympathetic (or rather hostile) to the protests, but I find it shocking that there's any legal framework under which Gofundme could shut down the page, seize all of the donations, and force people to basically file paperwork to get them back. There's something deeply asymmetrical in the way we treat white-collar crime as opposed to street crime. It's bizarre that they even though they could get away…

Refusing to provide a service and giving people a refund is broadly legal in most of the western world for most reasons except for isolated cases like protected classes, etc.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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This is a classic slippery slope argument. Losing weight is not the same thing as a pandemic like this. The two-fold reason that these measures are taken is A) over-filling of hospitals and shut-down of all non-emergency services and B) extremely high death rate. Smoking or whatever scary slippery slope you think we're on is not the same thing as the ICU's filling up way over capacity and hundreds of thousands of peo…

> ICU's filling up way over capacity and hundreds of thousands of people dropping dead that normally wouldn't This claim is mostly overblown at this point. It was a legitimate concern early on, but it hasn't been true for some time. The vaccine claims are also misleading. Herd immunity by vaccination is not the only way to protect society, and the distinct lack of discussion or recognition of immunity from infection…

It's not overblown all across America where the omicron wave did once again force ICU to capacity and cause the cancellation of non-emergency care across the country.

Herd immunity by vaccination is the only way to protect society without requiring infection, which fills hospitals and leads to deaths. Vaccination means you're about 40x less likely to be hospitalized or die, which saves our health system. Do you honestly believe there should be more discussion of infection immunity as a solution, when it results in 40X more hospitalization and death? I've seen anti-vaxxers call public health officials "genociders" for decisions far less death-causing than that.

If you think the vaccine mandate is why this convoy happened, instead of conservative fake news creating vast conspiracy theories from the "NWO" to "Q-ANON", funded by conservatives billionaires and the governments of multiple countries, to help destabilize and bring down the west, then to each their own. But how many Americans are among them? How many fans do they have abroad? It's not about Canadian mandates, it's about the global right wing conspiracy movement.

But I do not believe that the vaccine anti-mandate stuff is anything more than todays convenient whip for the very powerful forces of conservative media control to use to continue their war after Trump lost. Just another issue politicized for convenience, as until conservative media flipped the switch, vaccine hesitancy was almost entirely left-wing. Even in America anti-vaccination attitudes on the right did not start until post-election and post-vaccine rollout, and there's a large group of vaccinated conservatives who regret it because now it's seen as a mistake in that ideology.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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In other words, it's nothing alike.

You're right. It's worse. BLM was because black people were being unjustly murdered. This occupation is because grown men are scared of a safe and effective vaccine during a worldwide pandemic.

Would you please stop taking the thread further into flamewar? I understand that you're justifiably upset about it, but you've posted 29 (edit: now 35) comments in this thread alone, many of them repetitive, and at this point you're falling into swipes. That doesn't help persuade anyone and it certainly isn't the curious conversation we're hoping for here.

By the time we get to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30226076, followed by https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30226101, followed by https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30226189, the intended spirit of this site has been completely lost.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30226201

Edit: Since this request didn't work, I've rate limited your account. Lest that seem to be out of bias, I've also rate limited the other commenters who have been feeding the repetitive flamewar side of this thread. I also banned at least one of the worst offenders. If you don't want to be rate limited, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the site guidelines in the future.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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To equate giving all of the funds to other charities and not allowing any of it to be used for its given purpose with giving the rest of the money after its intended purpose has been met is... well, not right. Like, consider a non-profit that you want to support its vision. Most of the money goes to its mission, the rest pays its execs. They decide to use 100% of it for the execs. According to your argument, that's j…

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I neither believe it is truthful to call it "occupying the nations capitol" nor am I surprised that GFM won't fund it.

Regardless, your response was a non-sequitur. You really need to deal with what I actually said.

To help you along, I also wouldn't be surprised for a charity to redirect 100% of its income to its executives. But that wouldn't mean I would say it was fine for them to do that, even though the reason I gave the money was for clean wells in Africa. That's what you're defending.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Please stop taking HN threads further into flamewar hell. A comment like this stands out even in a thread as intense as this one. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: I also had to ask you this just recently: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29969188 - and before that as well. We ban accounts that don't heed these warnings. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use H…

I apologize for both incidents and will try to maintain respect and provide more thoughtful comments in the future.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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The tweet literally says it is for CHOP.

Which was something like the entirety of a half of a city block mostly centered around urban farms

You are seriously misinformed on CHOP/CHAZ. Likely 1-5% of the area was devoted to a garden. The rest was filled with protesters waging nightly war on the police and surrounding businesses. More than that, CHAZ/CHOP protestors were directly responsible for multiple killings of black people.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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They have attacked police. They have had dance parties on war memorials. They threw human shit at a home with a pride flag in the window. They assaulted people for wearing masks. Healthcare workers are now told to remove any indications that they work at a hospital for their own safety.

In other words, it's nothing alike.

Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar, and certainly not flamewar tangents into deeper circles of hell.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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It isn't forced.

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> Cool, imagine if I passed a law saying donate 20% of your life savings to Trump or go to jail. Don’t worry, you aren’t forced to, by that logic.

But the threat of jail is actually being forced. No on is going to jail for being unvaccinated. Are you equating finding another job to being incarcerated?

> Or in a more realistic world from the past, you’d better not employ that German Jew or your business will get forcibly shut down. Don’t worry, you’re not forced to not hire him.

Race is a protected class. Vaccination status without documented medical reason is not. Also, no one is forcing these businesses to shut down. They simply can't employ unvaccinated people.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Lockdown and quarantine are very different. And it's you who mentionned "completely novel and exotic government actions", to which I point out that it's already happened with lockdowns. There's nothing in history that resemble what has happened in those last 2 years, whether you agree or not won't change that fact.

1918 had some cities implement lockdowns as a response to the rapidly spreading Spanish Flu. And then there were anti-lockdown protests which caused some cities to lift their lockdowns early and the virus surged. Business owners also railed against the lockdowns, and were sometimes successful in getting them lifted. There was a similar situation with mandatory masks, and then loud anti-mask protests which resulted in…

Your last link says it all: "COVID-19 has triggered lockdown measures for billions of people around the world."

A lockdown at such a scale never happened before covid. Your "counter-fact" is incorrect.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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>Choices have consequences. Yes, the powers that be chose to force an unnecessary vaccine on working class people, and this is the consequence. Can we quit using this sinister thought-terminating cliche?

> Yes, the powers that be chose to force an unnecessary vaccine on working class people No one was forced to get a vaccine. Period.

"Do X or you're fired" -- this is coercion by any reasonable definition. If you think it's easy to just "get another job", you are speaking from a position of immense economic privilege. It's tantamount to "let them eat cake".

Urbanites will regret their fickle treatment of the key workers who provide them with food and Amazon deliveries.

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