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Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by gsich »

afavour wrote: post #188

I’m struggling to have sympathy with anyone involved in this. Podcasting has always felt like a resurgence of the “original web” spirit to me: anyone can upload, anywhere. All you need is an RSS feed and anyone can subscribe. Then Spotify came busting in and decided that the open podcasting platform is obsolete and paid Joe Rogan $100 million for exclusive distribution of his content. So they’ve dug their own grave h…

Podcasts without RSS feeds are not podcasts. That is a strict technical requirement.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by emsy »

digitcatphd wrote: post #470

I fail to see how anyone can seriously listen to Joe Rogan. He has a circus of quacks and conspiracy theorists on the show and when he does occasionally have a legitimate scientist he can barely muster any response beyond “wow that blows my mind”

Yes, there are occasional episodes with quacks. But using those to dismiss the whole show is blatantly ignorant.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by factsaresacred »

digitcatphd wrote: post #470

I fail to see how anyone can seriously listen to Joe Rogan. He has a circus of quacks and conspiracy theorists on the show and when he does occasionally have a legitimate scientist he can barely muster any response beyond “wow that blows my mind”

Isn't that his appeal though? He lets the guests speak without much interjection beyond "wow" and "really". Unlike many other media hosts, he doesn't have his thumb on the scale trying to steer conversations towards his own political leanings.

And while he's featured a few conspiracy theorists, they're a minority and are balanced out by credentialed 'serious' scientists.

That's all beside the point though - purging conversations from the internet is bad, and the culture that cheers this on is worse.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by hn_version_0023 »

andreskytt wrote: post #454
concinds wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The open web is dead. It's likely Rogan would have been banned from YouTube and Apple Podcasts had he not moved to Spotify. He could have moved to tiny platforms like Odysee or Rokfin that would likely have poor retention rates, or just relied on people adding his URL manually to Apple Podcasts, but come on. Nobody would do that. The "death of the open web" problem isn't creators somehow consistently choosing to empo…

“Nobody would do that“ Back in the day people did exactly that.

Today isn’t yesterday; things change. I agree that no one would make the effort today. Money killed (or is in the process of killing) podcasting.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by YEwSdObPQT »

iaml wrote: post #445
graderjs wrote: post #106

I'm not sure this website is accurate as Rogan so far has not said anything on Twitter or Instagram about this. Yet if true, this is such BS. It's hard not to see Rogan, with his massive and mostly bipartisan audience, yet still polarizing and controversial discussions, as a litmus test for how well the West really embraces dissent. We're supposed to have invented dissent, right? And Joe Rogan, he's our little free s…

> mostly bipartisan audience Is it though? Before spotify deal it was definitely true, but recently I tried some of his new episodes and he's much more conservative leaning nowadays. So much so I couldn't really watch it, stark contrast to earlier episodes with Duncan Trussel, Bill Burr and others. I heavily doubt he has much liberal audience nowadays.

He isn't conservative leaning. He is pretty much a centre/centre-left anti-authoritarian. Plenty of people watch Joe Rogan that aren't conservatives. Most conservatives and people like myself who roughly describe themselves as anarchists (though I don't like labels as you end up having to defend other people's statements and opinions other than your own) wouldn't consider him right wing at all.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by digitcatphd »

factsaresacred wrote: post #474
digitcatphd wrote: post #470

I fail to see how anyone can seriously listen to Joe Rogan. He has a circus of quacks and conspiracy theorists on the show and when he does occasionally have a legitimate scientist he can barely muster any response beyond “wow that blows my mind”

Isn't that his appeal though? He lets the guests speak without much interjection beyond "wow" and "really". Unlike many other media hosts, he doesn't have his thumb on the scale trying to steer conversations towards his own political leanings. And while he's featured a few conspiracy theorists, they're a minority and are balanced out by credentialed 'serious' scientists. That's all beside the point though - purging c…

Fair points, but holistically one could argue he causes more misinformation and controversy than he contributes to scientific progress and education.

Regarding censorship, where does one draw the line? Misinformation? A conversation encouraging self-harm? The harm of others? Without holding media to some reasonable standard an anything goes mentality develops.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by YEwSdObPQT »

snotrockets wrote: post #293
nomilk wrote: post #224

This is bigger than Spotify. Rogan was a proactive person conducting open research into the world around him. When proactive people investigate things and share their findings, it now only takes a few to dislike the findings, fuss, and have the findings removed. To those that support this, I have 4 questions: 1. Is disincentivising sharing knowledge really good for the world? 2. Is it reasonable to expect 100% of inq…

No, this is not how you do “open research”. He’s a shock jock ffs. A good one, maybe, but not Woodward or Bernstein.

A shock jock? Howard Stern was a shock jock. Have you ever watched Joe Rogan?

He has a 3 hour conversation with a guest where he talks at lengths about pretty much anything he wants to ask them about.

That isn't a shock jock!

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by throw3838 »

concinds wrote: post #324
afavour wrote: post #188

I’m struggling to have sympathy with anyone involved in this. Podcasting has always felt like a resurgence of the “original web” spirit to me: anyone can upload, anywhere. All you need is an RSS feed and anyone can subscribe. Then Spotify came busting in and decided that the open podcasting platform is obsolete and paid Joe Rogan $100 million for exclusive distribution of his content. So they’ve dug their own grave h…

The open web is dead. It's likely Rogan would have been banned from YouTube and Apple Podcasts had he not moved to Spotify. He could have moved to tiny platforms like Odysee or Rokfin that would likely have poor retention rates, or just relied on people adding his URL manually to Apple Podcasts, but come on. Nobody would do that. The "death of the open web" problem isn't creators somehow consistently choosing to empo…

Monolithic platforms are dead. More and more creators will take lesson and put their content under their own brand. Youtbe will be just "dump host" embedded from other domain!

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by willis936 »

factsaresacred wrote: post #474
digitcatphd wrote: post #470

I fail to see how anyone can seriously listen to Joe Rogan. He has a circus of quacks and conspiracy theorists on the show and when he does occasionally have a legitimate scientist he can barely muster any response beyond “wow that blows my mind”

Isn't that his appeal though? He lets the guests speak without much interjection beyond "wow" and "really". Unlike many other media hosts, he doesn't have his thumb on the scale trying to steer conversations towards his own political leanings. And while he's featured a few conspiracy theorists, they're a minority and are balanced out by credentialed 'serious' scientists. That's all beside the point though - purging c…

Selecting guests is a palm on the scale.
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