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Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by root_axis »

ddingus wrote: post #410

Of course they are! That's how this goes. Once the door is open for censorship, it all works just like lies do, and it's often associated with lies and or hurt egos, say lack of acceptance and respect, and it tends to spread, until it's ridiculous. And let's get real here: This whole mess is because the government and big media don't like being near constantly ratioed. They do have the option of improving how they wo…

The evidence presented in this video isn't anywhere near enough to confirm that this is actually true, yet you're already offering up speculative explanations about google's intentions as if it's all a foregone conclusion and you know exactly why. I think that's a little weird.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by deadmutex »

throwuxiytayq wrote: post #446
drusepth wrote: post #387

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Because you can't see a video has a 1:9 like:dislike ratio to tell you it's not worth your time I see this argument every time dislikes are brought up but no one seems to ever mention views as a third data point. I've never really paid attention to dislikes (other than hearing about dislike raids), but you can still see videos' like:view ratio, which IMO has always been more significant than dislikes anyway.

No, you can't see it. You need to calculate it. Are you seriously suggesting that people will start doing math ?

like:dislike ratio (grandparent comment) is same math as like:view ratio (parent comment). :)

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by thesnowdog »

root_axis wrote: post #468
sillysaurusx wrote: post #465

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Abusive to who? To YouTube? This is one step removed from not being able to criticize [elided so as not to send this thread the wrong direction; use your imagination]. It was a handjob. He wasn’t wrong. And his comment abused no one, merely a corporation. If you’re arguing that an ML algorithm picked up on their comment and deemed it problematic enough to shadowban him forever with no appeals process, then that’d be…

> Being shadowbanned from Twitter would kill me; I’ve put years of effort into it. This doesn't sound like healthy engagement. When people talk this way about online video games we consider it an addiction issue that needs addressing.

You can't think of one single 'healthy' reason to invest years of effort in cultivating a social media presence?

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by jerska »

thesnowdog wrote: post #473
root_axis wrote: post #468

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Being shadowbanned from Twitter would kill me; I’ve put years of effort into it. This doesn't sound like healthy engagement. When people talk this way about online video games we consider it an addiction issue that needs addressing.

You can't think of one single 'healthy' reason to invest years of effort in cultivating a social media presence?

On a single platform, no.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by ziml77 »

SquareWheel wrote: post #458

Did nobody watch the linked video? It's obvious he had comments restricted because his comment was deemed as abusive, and not because it was critical of "hiding dislikes". "That's not abusive at all", you may be thinking. But calling others names, even something as nonsensical as calling them a "handjob", can still easily fall under their terms of use. If you refer to the original video[1], people are nothing but cri…

As soon as I saw that he had used the word "handjob", I was skeptical that the reason for the shadow ban had to do with opposing the dislike change.

Everyone is hating on the removal of the dislike count; across many videos and many comments. If I hear that more of them are getting removed or shadow banned and that they hadn't used a vulgar word, I'll start believing that YouTube is suppressing opposition to the change.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by throwuxiytayq »

deadmutex wrote: post #472
throwuxiytayq wrote: post #446

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you can't see it. You need to calculate it. Are you seriously suggesting that people will start doing math ?

like:dislike ratio (grandparent comment) is same math as like:view ratio (parent comment). :)

Yes, except there used to be an extremely readable bar that would let you see the like/dislike ratio at a glance.

Sure, you and I can do the math, establish a threshold value above which a video is worth watching (this was _much_ more intuitive with a like:dislike ratio btw), and compare that for each video. But can your mom do that? Can your kids do that? Can you do that while drunk? Can you do that with mind fog and high fever from Covid? Can you do that during a schizophrenic episode? Can you do that when you have early stage dementia?

This change is an attack on the people most susceptible to manipulation. I am outraged that you're making up excuses.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by amcoastal »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #465
SquareWheel wrote: post #458

Did nobody watch the linked video? It's obvious he had comments restricted because his comment was deemed as abusive, and not because it was critical of "hiding dislikes". "That's not abusive at all", you may be thinking. But calling others names, even something as nonsensical as calling them a "handjob", can still easily fall under their terms of use. If you refer to the original video[1], people are nothing but cri…

Abusive to who? To YouTube? This is one step removed from not being able to criticize [elided so as not to send this thread the wrong direction; use your imagination]. It was a handjob. He wasn’t wrong. And his comment abused no one, merely a corporation. If you’re arguing that an ML algorithm picked up on their comment and deemed it problematic enough to shadowban him forever with no appeals process, then that’d be…

I visited your Twitter. You really think you can't live without THAT?

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by jasode »

caconym_ wrote: post #370
jasode wrote: post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The primary signals I use to judge the worth of a video are 1) its prominence in search results, This is not as good a signal because for many long-tail videos, the topmost video in the search results has a bad dislike-to-like ratio. >and 2) the video itself. This is not efficient use of time for the viewer because the point of a quick statistic is to avoid watching the video in the first place. >This is because dis…

The problem with this discussion is that (presumably) neither of us will ever have the data to back up our position. We can only disagree based on how we ourselves use YouTube, and maybe how we've observed friends and family using it. So what is the point? Unlike a lot of people I've discussed this with, I can at least respect your position as being based in some kind of believable and relatively well-developed use c…

>The problem with this discussion is that (presumably) neither of us will ever have the data to back up our position. [...] I have no trouble believing that these legitimately bad, long-tail, high downvote count videos exist, but I still see them as exactly what my original comment characterized them as: an edge case.

Because the public dislike counts are now gone, examples are hard to find. In any case, here's a screen shot of a popular video from The Verge that's not long-tail. The deep link showing 1200-dislikes-vs-839-likes: https://youtu.be/WuunLhXcUo4?t=15

That's an example of a high "dislikes ratio" alerting the viewer to a trash video. Lots of bad videos with corresponding dislikes on Youtube are not an edge case. I encounter them every day (e.g. product reviews, DIY how-to, etc)

>, but you aren't going to convince me you're right just by telling me that the way I use YouTube is wrong.

If you're happy using Youtube without considering dislikes, we're not saying you're wrong. The point is that your dismissal of public dislikes is not relevant to how _others_ depend on it to avoid wasting time. The examples of famous youtube creators also looking at dislike counts to save time is very telling. Even though they themselves suffer from dislikes on their own channel, they still depend on dislike counts when consuming others' videos. The youtube creators are also some of the most sophisticated viewers of Youtube content and their usage of dislikes ratios matches the reality of many in this thread who use the metrics in the same way to filter out bad videos.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by LuisMondragon »

In the early days, the distinct feature of the web was bidirectionality. Unlike TV or radio, on the web the communication went both ways. The user could finally give their opinion and comment. We have gone full circle, with YouTube hiding dislikes, and even with some channels disabling comments, we have unidirectionality again.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by MonaroVXR »

tdeck wrote: post #385
MonaroVXR wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never checked the likes to watch a video, I think if you have enough YouTube "experience" you can probably figure out what videos are good and which aren't. (No hate, just my opinion, I don't care about the likes)

Same here, I didn't realize so many people relied on the voting metrics. Were they visible in the video list view or did you have to click through to see them?

I have no clue despite watching YouTube everyday. I'm using YouTube Vanced, so my YouTube will slightly differ?

Checking it back, I only see the likes when I click through them.

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