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Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by ceejayoz »

jonwachob91 wrote: post #304
ceejayoz wrote: post #190

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Do that to a gym and they'll sue you for not paying out your contract.

A gym is not a recurring payment, it's a facility access contract defined for a period of time. You agreed upon price for the year, broken down into monthly payments. You are obligated to pay that full amount b/c you agreed to it when you signed the contract at the beginning of the membership. You don't have such contracts with recurring payment products.

No, quite a few gyms advertise “no contract” month-to-month payment schemes that still require a specific cancellation process.

For example, Planet Fitness has “no commitment” memberships, but you still have to explicitly cancel.

> You may cancel according to our policy: Per the agreement, in order to cancel a membership, one must either go to your home club in person to fill out a cancellation form, or send a letter (preferably via certified mail) to the club, requesting cancellation. Please note: Memberships cannot be cancelled via fax, phone, or email.

https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/51m0e0/com...

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by ufmace »

lttlrck wrote: post #173
8note wrote: post #72

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I should be able to tell my credit card company that I'm ending a subscription, and have them be in charge of notifying the provider that the subscription has been terminated

Yes for recurring subscriptions the control should be firmly under the consumers control. Perhaps there should be a special recurring transaction type on credit cards akin to those in PayPal.

Startup idea? I would totally pay for / use a service that managed and paid all of my subscriptions to various things that also made it so that I could cancel any of them at any time with a single click (okay maybe 2 clicks) on their website and hear nothing more about that account.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by bin_bash »

bgeeek wrote: post #453
bin_bash wrote: post #350

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There are some less scrupulous sites that ban privacy.com cards. Dallas Morning News is a recent one I ran into.

I hadn't heard of privacy.com cards, but that thought had crossed my mind. What is to stop organisations simply banning privacy.com cards?

We’ll technically I don’t think they’re able to, but they can ban prepaid cards which I think is how they’re classified.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by createunderrate »

azinman2 wrote: post #268
xu_ituairo wrote: post #19

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Isn’t having to have an online chat an unnecessary artificial barrier? Why not a button like most other sites.

They have that too: https://www.nytimes.com/data-subject-request

I've tried using this form several times. They send me an email afterward telling me they won't delete my account. (This is despite me living in a jurisdiction where deleting my account is legally non-optional.)

NY Times needs to get their shit together.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by dahfizz »

inopinatus wrote: post #272
nightski wrote: post #96

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Hate to break it to you but banks are not deleting your account immediately when you close it. They legally can't.

KYC/audit regs aside, it's also because the account belongs to the bank. The money is held in trust on your behalf, but the amounts are a liability on the institution's balance sheet. This is also why an increase in the balance of your deposit account is referred to as a credit; the statement is written from the bank's perspective, not yours. What you have is partial control of these funds, via instructions to your b…

Couldn't you make that same argument for any online service? "I own the database and servers, its my account that I operate on the user's behalf. Therefore they cannot delete the account".

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by onion2k »

sokoloff wrote: post #459
onion2k wrote: post #415

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Generally, if an app enables you to create an account in a system controlled by someone else, the account deletion rule shouldn’t be applicable The post you're replying to says Apple believe it should. Unless you can persuade Apple to change their policy, it won't matter if you disagree.

Safari enables me to create accounts on lots of services controlled by third parties and, for some of these, Safari does not symmetrically enable me to initiate a deletion in-app. (I’ll give you that Safari isn’t in the App Store but many other browsers are. It would viewed as anti-competitive for Apple to remove all competing browsers.)

Safari enables me to create accounts on lots of services controlled by third parties and, for some of these, Safari does not symmetrically enable me to initiate a deletion in-app.

This might be the weakest strawman argument I've ever seen. Well done.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by Shank »

madars wrote: post #4
gumby wrote: post #2

Wonder if this can be used to unsubscribe from The NY Times?

I heard you can change your address to California, which then gives the option to cancel online (due to state law). It is absolutely ridiculous that NYT will happily take your card info online, but require you to be on hold to speak with their "customer care" to cancel. Maybe it is time to use virtual CC's a la privacy.com.

I used a Privacy card and NYT did a “force post” [0] after they got a decline. I contacted Privacy and this is apparently a per se violation of the Visa rules, so they opened a dispute and I won. But NYT actually tried to charge me despite me trying to cancel, and I live in CA, and the card was blocked in Privacy.

[0]: https://support.privacy.com/hc/en-us/articles/360012288214-F...

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by sokoloff »

onion2k wrote: post #476
sokoloff wrote: post #459

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Safari enables me to create accounts on lots of services controlled by third parties and, for some of these, Safari does not symmetrically enable me to initiate a deletion in-app. (I’ll give you that Safari isn’t in the App Store but many other browsers are. It would viewed as anti-competitive for Apple to remove all competing browsers.)

Safari enables me to create accounts on lots of services controlled by third parties and, for some of these, Safari does not symmetrically enable me to initiate a deletion in-app. This might be the weakest strawman argument I've ever seen. Well done.

It's very nearly the literal sentence that preceded the text you quoted upthread. It's exactly what we're talking about here and what you seem to be agreeing that Apple is intending to (and right to) enforce.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by grishka »

leppr wrote: post #465
grishka wrote: post #445

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And this is why Apple needs to be forced to allow app sideloading on iOS. A software and hardware company shouldn't be playing police.

Or just stop buying Apple devices? That way the duopoly can shift from iOS/Android to Android/ . I realize many people are heavily invested in the Apple ecosystem, especially since Apple encourages that with the proprietary integrations between their different devices, but there's a point when one should realize they have a choice. It's a walled garden not a prison.

> Or just stop buying Apple devices

As an app developer, this isn't a choice I get to make. I myself have used Android ever since modern smartphones became a widespread phenomenon.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by jimnotgym »

dtech wrote: post #408
jimnotgym wrote: post #406

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Never mind the banks. UK companies have to keep VAT records for 6 years

This is different from not deleting your account. Having to keep a record of your purchases doesn't mean they can keep track of your hobbies or whatever. GDPR solved this years ago: right to be forgotten does not apply to legal requirements to keep records. Companies must keep those records only for the minimum time though.

Well that's rather flippant. Where does it say that Apple is only talking about social media apps?

And what has it got to do with GDPR. Apple are not the GDPR police in my country. But now you mention it, are the app reviewers going to be trained in GDPR and document retention exemptions, or are they just going to hand out bans?

Getting sick of the down voting from the Apple fanbois of hn.

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