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The deceptive PR behind Apple’s “expanded protections for children”

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Re: The deceptive PR behind Apple’s “expanded protections for children”

#471

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These illegal photos are not trivial to obtain. Possessing (and here, the printing step necessitates possession) these illegal photos is in and of itself a crime in most relevant jurisdictions. But OK, let's say that you've found a way to get the photos and you're comfortable with the criminal implications of that. At that point why don't you just hide the printed photos in your coworker's desk? My point is that if y…

Yes, the bad actor would need to do non-trivial bad things. To stay on the topic of iCloud, my point is that it seems quite hard to protect yourself/device from even this most basic attack scenario.

You are right. Easy to frame someone and destroy their life/career.

Re: The deceptive PR behind Apple’s “expanded protections for children”

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To be fair - I think reasonable people can disagree on this. I don't think it's a rationalization to point out that it only occurs when the same baseline conditions are met (using the cloud). I think those constraints/specifics matter. I wouldn't be in favor of the policy if they were different (and I'm not even sure I'm in favor of it now). My personally preferred outcome would be e2ee by default for everything with…

I largely agree with your point fossuser. I am also in favour of E2E by default for everything without any device or cloud based scanning. However, Apple doesn't want to be caught in having developed a service that enables for child exploitation. Doing nothing may have even more invasive requirements legally forced by government, so Apple is stuck with a dilemma. Also lets not forget that Apple should also not want c…

They can rely on users reporting it. They are not obligated by law to do this.

Re: The deceptive PR behind Apple’s “expanded protections for children”

#473

>The worst part is: how do I put my money where my mouth is? Am I going back to using Linux on the desktop (2022 will be the year of Linux on the desktop, remember) people really need to retire this meme. On the desktop in particular as a dev environment Linux is completely fine at this point. I can understand people not wanting to run a custom phone OS because that really is a ton of work but for working software de…

Good luck if you have two screens with different DPIs.

I don't have any issues using multiple displays with different scaling settings on Linux.

Pop! OS, Ubuntu, and Linux Mint are among the distributions that flawlessly accommodate different scaling settings for multiple displays without any special adjustments.

On Wayland, both the GNOME and KDE desktop environments support multiple scaling factors.

For GNOME on Wayland, if you need fractional scaling, you'll need to turn on a setting if your Linux distro doesn't do it for you:

https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/06/enable-fractional-scalin...

Re: The deceptive PR behind Apple’s “expanded protections for children”

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I have a newborn at home, and like every other parent, we take thousands of pictures and videos of our newest family member. We took pictures of the very first baby-bath. So now I have pictures of a naked baby on my phone. Does that mean that pictures of my newborn baby will be uploaded to Apple for further analysis, potentially stored for indefinite time, shared with law enforcement?

no, because it only catches registered CSAM, however if you sent your pictures to relatives etc. and somehow someone who was into CSAM got one of your pictures and later gets arrested, your photo in their collection could theoretically be registered in the official archives - then you might have something that matches one of the hashes of a known CSAM image in your collection of images (maybe enough matches to have the police come talk to you)

on edit: later on of course this will make a great article in some place like the Atlantic with a stolid monochromatic picture of your family in the lead-in and we will all read about it on HN and talk about how this was an obvious problem with the whole system (if it gets posted at the right time and gets enough upvotes).

Re: The deceptive PR behind Apple’s “expanded protections for children”

#475

https://www.missingkids.org/theissues/end-to-end-encryption Geez.

> Do not implement end-to-end encrypted communications for accounts where a user has indicated they are under 18 years old.

It's repulsive how the NCMEC is pushing to deprive minors of privacy and agency, while simultaneously claiming to advocate for their benefit.

Re: The deceptive PR behind Apple’s “expanded protections for children”

#476

> The worst part is: how do I put my money where my mouth is? Am I going back to using Linux on the desktop (2022 will be the year of Linux on the desktop, remember), debugging wifi drivers and tirelessly trying to make resume-from-suspend work? Oh come on. DOn't make it sound like it's that bad. Wifi is a solved problem for a long time now, and you can buy Lenovo, System76 or Tuxedo if you want to make sure 100% thi…

You can indeed tell how tired and old the complaint is by the nature of what it complains about.

In 2021 we are instead lumbered with inconsistent support for hidpi displays, lack of DTMF in linphone, and Evolution’s option to disable pc beep on new message being a plugin.

But that was just the last week. Next week will be better and the fight for freedom is indeed an eternal struggle.

Re: The deceptive PR behind Apple’s “expanded protections for children”

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It turns out people liked it when their phone scanned their photos for 'selfie' or 'beach' for them. Apparently tagging 'child porn' on your photos for searching isnt the killer feature someone thought it might be.

Your photos aren’t being tagged as child porn.

* unless they contain child porn

Re: The deceptive PR behind Apple’s “expanded protections for children”

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Hello, user with two screens with two different DPIs (and two separate resolutions as well, and one of them a giant touch-screen drawing tablet). Nice to meet you, I use Arch btw. X11's handling of different DPIs is annoying but workable; there's a couple of different possible methods of handling it that have their own pros/cons. Per-monitor scaling is supported, but I personally don't like the way it's handled, so i…

So your answer about different DPIs is that you solve it by using a single DPI setting for both monitors? And the “year of Linux on the desktop” meme isn’t about it not being a workable desktop or workstation OS. Of course it is and many people use it as such. But it’s not a mainstream option that puts any kind of competitive pressure on the alternatives. You can’t go into Best Buy and walk out with a linux laptop/de…

Per-display scaling works in X11. I happen to use a single DPI setting that's an in-between for both monitors, but that's not a requirement, you can scale per-monitor if you prefer that. Wayland will handle this a bit better, but even in X11 you have options.

I agree that "just use Linux" isn't an answer to privacy concerns in the mainstream, if for no other reason than that the current conversation about Apple is a conversation about phones, a platform where Linux is not currently usable. Purism/Pine phones are exciting, but they're not usable smartphone alternatives yet. Really if we want to talk about Apple's recent changes, I'm not sure any desktop OS is relevant to that conversation.

My frustration here is that a lot of the people who use "year of the Linux desktop" seem to have a really outdated view of what Linux is actually like as a daily driver. HDPI scaling was a huge problem on Linux for a long time. It's a lot better now.

The main barriers for Linux adoption at this point aren't technical. The barriers aren't trying to handle multiple displays, or projectors, or wifi cards, or even getting hardware -- there are multiple companies now that sell good preloaded Linux laptops. That doesn't mean the market share is magically there or that we're going to see a mass migration to Linux any time soon, but the market share is good enough that Linux gets decent support, and stable enough that Linux gives me generally fewer problems than Windows used to (that may have more to do with the quality of Windows degrading though). For a long time that wasn't the case; even until a couple of years ago I would have said that Linux was way behind the curve on touch/tablet support. That gap is pretty much gone now as far as I can see.

That part of the meme that's related to grishka's "sure Linux is a workable desktop, just don't hook any monitors up to it" comment -- that part is dead as far as I'm concerned.

Re: The deceptive PR behind Apple’s “expanded protections for children”

#479

> The worst part is: how do I put my money where my mouth is? Am I going back to using Linux on the desktop (2022 will be the year of Linux on the desktop, remember), debugging wifi drivers and tirelessly trying to make resume-from-suspend work? Oh come on. DOn't make it sound like it's that bad. Wifi is a solved problem for a long time now, and you can buy Lenovo, System76 or Tuxedo if you want to make sure 100% thi…

Can I upgrade video drivers without being dumped to a command line?

Re: The deceptive PR behind Apple’s “expanded protections for children”

#480

> The worst part is: how do I put my money where my mouth is? Am I going back to using Linux on the desktop (2022 will be the year of Linux on the desktop, remember), debugging wifi drivers and tirelessly trying to make resume-from-suspend work? Oh come on. DOn't make it sound like it's that bad. Wifi is a solved problem for a long time now, and you can buy Lenovo, System76 or Tuxedo if you want to make sure 100% thi…

+1. Linux support is pretty good these days... unless you're trying to run it on a Surface Pro or something. I'm just worried that I won't be able to find any alternative to the iPhone. The Librem and Pine phones look promising... it's just not clear how long it will be till they're stable enough to use as daily drivers.
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