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1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by kenperkins »

mirthflat83 wrote: post #414
jl_agilebits wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi. I'm a feature developer for 1Password, and I want to clarify a few things. I've already posted this elsewhere, but I've seen multiple threads spreading misinformation that our technical decisions are being driven by VC funding. This could not be farther from the truth. We have been working on these changes long before we received any form of outside investments. Over the past few years, we've been working on cons…

I am very unhappy that 1P is moving to Electron for macOS for the reasons people here have reiterated a million times. I am actively looking for alternatives now.

You'd get rid of a working solution because of an implementation decision? I _love_ 1P, and I use it on Mac, Windows, Linux, and iOS, and it makes perfect sense that they standardize on Electron.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by xuki »

jl_agilebits wrote: post #261
xuki wrote: post #51

The writing was on the wall when they took VC money[1]. Anyone has a good guide to move to Bitwarden/Lastpass? [1] https://techcrunch.com/2019/11/14/fourteen-years-after-launc...

Hi. I'm a feature developer for 1Password, and I want to clarify a few things. First of all, our decision to built the macOS app in Electron was absolutely not driven by VC money. For the past few years, we've been working on consolidating 1Password's business logic into a single Rust-powered core that could be shared across all our apps. This has many advantages: feature consistency across platforms, faster developm…

Hi, I didn't mention Electron in my comment, it was purely about the move to remove single time purchase and local vaults. I don't like the direction where the product is heading, therefore I want out.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by deadpanPotato »

They said that 97% of their users are already on subscriptions. I get that local vault users are disappointed, but there's an app for you and it's called Bitwarden.

I think 1Password made a smart business decision. By cutting loose the need to support local vaults, they can focus more development energy on other things that 97% of their users will appreciate. It's a numbers game.

That said...Electron? Ugh. I already spend half my day grumbling about the Slack app.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by sumedh »

ekianjo wrote: post #384
slg wrote: post #365

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This reads like that notorious HN comment about it being trivially easy to roll your own Dropbox. Our time has value. Good UI has value. How much time is saved by just using a service like 1Password versus the design, setup, maintenance, and ongoing use of a system like you suggest with all those individual pieces?

so getting to know how to do things by yourself is a waste of time?

Yes it is a waste of time, if you want to spend time doing other things in your life.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by thallavajhula »

slipperlobster wrote: post #410
thallavajhula wrote: post #131

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I've been using 1Password for 3 years now. Been paying $35/year and I'm with you on this one. I really like their service. The integrations are great. I rarely use their Mac app. I use my Apple Watch to unlock 1Password in my browser. That for me, is a game changer. It's such a seamless experience. I'm a happy customer and I love the service.

> I use my Apple Watch to unlock 1Password in my browser. Can you point me to where this gets set up? I'd love to do this.

1. Open 1Password Mac app 2. Go to Preferences > Security > Apple Watch (there's also option to enable Touch ID) and enable it

Make sure you have your browser 1Password plugin updated to the latest version.

When you click on the locked 1Password icon in the browser, you get the "Double click to approve" alert on your Apple Watch. You double click the side button on your watch and 1Password in your browser is now unlocked. This also works the same way with Touch ID. Hope that helps. Cheers.

edit: Provided clarity regarding the Mac App

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by deadpanPotato »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #439
trimbo wrote: post #195

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When I was 18, I wrote some shareware and asked for $10 from those who used and liked the program. Lots of nice people from all over the planet sent in some money, and sometimes with letters. Most often it was a thank you note. Sometimes people requested more features in return for paying the requested amount. And occasionally they'd tack on whatever extra they thought those features were worth to them. (That amount…

> So I learned early on that people unreasonably expect support for no additional cost. Or they believe the amount they paid is for support in the future, not work done in the past. If I buy a piece of software, it's not unreasonable to expect it to work for some period of time after the purchase. This is especially true on the Windows side, where Microsoft has gone to great lengths to keep old APIs around and suppor…

> it's not unreasonable to expect it to work for some period of time after the purchase.

"it works" and "the developer gives me support" are two different things. In this case, I'm sure the shareware he wrote still "worked," but clearly they thought they were entitled to perpetual updates or the ability to chat to the developer any time they like.

As far as I'm concerned, the SLA of $10 shareware I volunteered to pay for is "whatever the developer is willing and able to provide." It's $10. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Fwiw, 1Password isn't nuking 1P7 or existing local vaults. Those users are free to keep using v7 for as long as Apple or Microsoft allow the app to be installed on the OS. (And I do agree, macOS and iOS are both quite abrupt about cutting off support and I commend Windows for going to great lengths to avoid it)

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by almostdigital »

I've been buying licenses since version 3 (2013) even after they started to hide the option.

Sad to see 1Password use dark patterns to push people towards subscriptions then twisting that into that people don't want licenses, at least be honest about it.

+1 customer lost.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by gonehome »

FreezerburnV wrote: post #50

I guess I’m the outlier in being very happy with 1Password and fine with paying for the subscription service. Not only is 1Password the best password manager I’ve used, but it makes it seamless to share stuff with my wife. I don’t care if 8 is an Electron app either, considering I usually interact with it via the browser anyway with their extension. (Also I know that the majority of what they wrote for it is Rust and…

Agreed - software like this doesn't exist in a vacuum of frozen dependencies (at least not until Urbit takes over). Subscription models make sense for stuff that requires updates over time to keep it working. Their stuff is reasonably priced and the product has been really good for years (imo).

I suppose they could do something like JetBrains where you get updates while subscribed, but realistically login breaks for users would be a mess to support and a standalone text editor is a different service.

This move makes sense to me given their market. Those that want to run a vault can use an alternative that's more of a hassle to deal with.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by deadpanPotato »

mirthflat83 wrote: post #414
jl_agilebits wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi. I'm a feature developer for 1Password, and I want to clarify a few things. I've already posted this elsewhere, but I've seen multiple threads spreading misinformation that our technical decisions are being driven by VC funding. This could not be farther from the truth. We have been working on these changes long before we received any form of outside investments. Over the past few years, we've been working on cons…

I am very unhappy that 1P is moving to Electron for macOS for the reasons people here have reiterated a million times. I am actively looking for alternatives now.

As much as I'm "meh" on Electron, I rarely use the actual 1Password App. On the other hand, I use the Firefox extension 30+ times a day, and that's about as far from a native app as you can get. So I think I'm fairly unlikely to notice a huge issue, and will instead be pleased that consolidating on Electron gives them greater feature velocity.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by cirrus3 »

FreezerburnV wrote: post #50

I guess I’m the outlier in being very happy with 1Password and fine with paying for the subscription service. Not only is 1Password the best password manager I’ve used, but it makes it seamless to share stuff with my wife. I don’t care if 8 is an Electron app either, considering I usually interact with it via the browser anyway with their extension. (Also I know that the majority of what they wrote for it is Rust and…

Agree. 1Password is one of the software subscriptions I have no regret paying for.
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