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Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by jinguang » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 5:18 AM UTC

cwkoss wrote: post #49

mrtksn wrote: post #25

I'm a huge fan of TikTok because after years of content stagnation and dullness, the internet is fun again. Especially places like Twitter and Instagram are outrage and depression inducers for me, consumed together it feels like the society is collapsing but everyone is living a perfect life at the same time. The China thing is touchy but I want the west to beat them by being better, not by being dismissive and prote…

It would be really interesting if TikTok allowed users to make a sequential thread of videos, and added a scroll control to view "next video in sequence". Currently "part 2" videos are very tedious to find, if they could make a way to continue a sequence from the fyp with a simple gesture or button, I think they could seriously challenge longer form videos as well.

对应的中国内的抖音版，已经支持长视频10分钟以上，只是体验上还是不如短视频有趣。因为习惯了快餐，慢节奏的长视频让人失去耐心看完，除非它质量不错。

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by b0afc375b5 » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 5:23 AM UTC

underwater wrote: post #184

I'm baffled by the glowing endorsements of TikTok on Hacker News of all places. TikTok content comes across as completely vapid. It's like the worst possible mashup of bad television and social media. As a company TikTok seems to have zero goals beyond increasing engagement.

I'm with you here. I was under the impression that there is a general consensus (backed by scientific studies?) in hackernews that social media consumption is detrimental to mental health.

Also I always read negative comments about TikTok on YouTube and Reddit. I've only read praise for TikTok on hackernews.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by seph-reed » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 5:24 AM UTC

reggieband wrote: post #66

I like to think of TikTok as the crack cocaine of addictive social media. I used to think my dopamine receptors were burned out by the constant barrage of memes I received from reddit, Facebook and Twitter but TikTok proves they can refine that product to make it even more potent. When I visit reddit now it feels behind in the same way Facebook used to feel behind. Facebook's video feature (which they shove into my f…

I tried it out for a few days, and can see the appeal. But something about the content got really, really repetitive really really quickly.

Like... it was all so staged and television like. It felt like watching TV did, back before I could see through the tropes.

There's only so many forms of arc you can fit into 15 seconds though.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by b0rsuk » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 5:24 AM UTC

mrtksn wrote: post #25

I'm a huge fan of TikTok because after years of content stagnation and dullness, the internet is fun again. Especially places like Twitter and Instagram are outrage and depression inducers for me, consumed together it feels like the society is collapsing but everyone is living a perfect life at the same time. The China thing is touchy but I want the west to beat them by being better, not by being dismissive and prote…

I think TikTok will figure a way to cram advertising into 60 seconds.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by jinguang » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 5:24 AM UTC

一个中国的软件竟然引发这么大的讨论，有趣。美国的朋友们，我告诉你们，中国内的抖音上流量播主粉丝量都是亿，千万级别。其视频播放量也都是上亿级别。相比国外的TikTok的用户量太少了，在国内简直不值一提。能想象一条一分钟的视频播放被几亿次播放的感受吗？非常棒的。所以你们在讨论什么？

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by rvz » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 5:30 AM UTC

romwell wrote: post #463

rvz wrote: post #457

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't 'follow' anyone on this site and anyone can simply have a random discussion here with anybody. The logic you tried to apply here doesn't work and isn't the same thing unlike what is going on in 'TikTok'. As for my question(s) you are yet to answer, I'll make the first one more clearer for you: >> Do they (the people you are following on TikTok) know you personally as if they are your close friends? >> So yo…

Notice how I am discussing things that you said , and you are discussing me , while also making claims about me . What I value on TikTok is lack of unprovoked hostility of this kind in the communities that I have discovered there. Enjoy your day, my friend, and try to find another person to argue about.

Nope. I already pointed out your flawed logic earlier and as for the 'claims', you already admitted it right here though? Your comment [0] completely fits the definition of a para-social relationship! [1][2]

You won't answer my first question because you know that you are engaging in a para-social relationship with the people you are following on TikTok. Not even remotely a 'personal attack' a simple 'fact' that you already admitted earlier.

Given that you continue to avoid the first question, I can assume that the creators you follow don't know you and to them, you are simply a 'fan' or 'follower' of them in a para-social relationship as described in. [1]

Now for my other questions that you still haven't answered:

>> So you are saying that there weren't any leaks happening about TikTok then, which suggests that they can suppress any content they want to or shadow-ban tags? So you trust them that they won't do it again then, since you think in your opinion that 'TikTok is the best thing to have happened to the Internet.'?

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28135484

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasocial_interaction

[2] https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20...

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by rualca » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 5:32 AM UTC

romwell wrote: post #460

random314 wrote: post #455

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might not care about the future. But others on this forum do.

I care about the future , I don't care much for reading other people's Magic 8 Balls. If you like doom prophecies so much, I have one for you ! Looks like the effects of climate change will take us all out before TikTok goes down the drain, so enjoy it while it (and the humanity) lasts.

> I care about the future, I don't care much for reading other people's Magic 8 Balls.

Sorry but that assertion makes no sense at all. Caring about the future does not mean naive wishful thinking.

Caring about the future means analysing the likely outcomes and act so that the best ones are the most likely outcomes and the worst ones are least likely.

TikTok has a very clear and obvious attack surface. This attack surface has been known to be exploited in a certain way. Intentionally turning a blind eye to the clear and real threat it poses is the exact opposite of caring about the future because you are thus actively engaged in enabling the worst possible outcome to become a reality.

You do not make problems go away by pretending they don't exist.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by argonaut » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 5:33 AM UTC

n8cpdx wrote: post #129

cronix wrote: post #73

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Another thing Tik Tok does is get rid of people who are obese, queer, or otherwise the target of harassment. Their stance is it's easier to get rid of the person being made fun of or limit who can see their videos rather than the 10k people harassing them. > According to Netzpolitik, the social media company instructed moderators to find users who are “susceptible to harassment or cyberbullying based on their physica…

This is an out of touch take from the TikTok=China=bad days of 2019/2020. I see queer creators on TikTok all the time. Quite frequently actually. This was the second video that showed up for me today, with 500k views (it is propaganda out of the White House, in collaboration with a popular queer creator): https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMdosCgTr/ Only 50k views from an amateur creator, because TikTok hates queers: https://vm.…

You really cannot make a claim about TikTok's content distribution based on your own feed. TikTok's feed is extremely hyper-targeted for each individual.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by argonaut » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 5:34 AM UTC

Dah00n wrote: post #175

jjice wrote: post #131

Lots of positivity in this thread, and I don't think that's entirely a bad thing, but I think TikTok is the worst of the social media platforms in terms of addictiveness, based on my peers. As a recent grad, so many of my friends are heavily invested in TikTok and have been since quarantine began, some of them for a bit before. The amount of time they spend there is absurd. Consuming 30 second content for three hours…

From what I've seen Tiktok is no worse than Instagram, Facebook or Snapchat. If anything there's less toxicity which in itself makes Tiktok better than the rest. With that said I don't use social media much (like maybe an hour a week? I have neither Twitter, Facebook, Instagram or Snapchat accounts) and if I had to pick only one it would be Tiktok (even though I don't use it now) except if there were a curated HN pag…

The comments on TikTok are just as toxic as Facebook and Instagram. I've also seen misinformation on TikTok as well.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by logicchains » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 5:39 AM UTC

yuy910616 wrote: post #179

adventured wrote: post #136

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> FB, Google, AWS, and Azue all have a competitive advantage that China don't - English. While true, that's the lesser of the competitive advantages. China's companies are locked in a highly restrictive CCP control box, which they're not allowed out of. That box will shrink further, suffocating the companies as it goes. It heavily limits how they can compete, what they can do, how fast they can move, and those restri…

I think this is a bear case on China - essentially you're saying that authoritarian government is unstable by nature, democracy is the end of history, etc. I'm a bit less certain. Past is no indication of future, but China has been the most successful authoritarian country to date. Enough for me to start questioning whether democracy is truly the only way. For example, I look at their recent crack down rather envious…

>I'm a bit less certain. Past is no indication of future, but China has been the most successful authoritarian country to date. Enough for me to start questioning whether democracy is truly the only way.

There's a 200 year old quote by Scottish historian Alexander Fraser Tytler that elaborates on this viewpoint:

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.”