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Post by stale2002 »

pope_meat wrote: post #395
stale2002 wrote: post #380

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Nobody cares about the technical definition of an obscure political philosophy. Everyone knew what they meant, when they were talking about "Anarchy". And we dont care about the irrelevant political movement.

I care, so, you're off by one at minimum. And for an irrelevant political movement, it sure takes up a lot of FBI resources.

Yes, it is pretty irrelevant to this conversation and most everything.

Everyone knew what this person meant, and then you came in and started talking about something that was not what anyone was talking about.

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Post by [deleted] »

cletus wrote: post #461
ChuckMcM wrote: post #434

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I agree with 98% of this :-). And it absolutely flows from the top. What is more, good leadership knows this and understands that no matter how something happened, they are responsible for it. The entire games industry however has a reputation for being "bad" at empowering good leadership. But let's talk about 'culture' for a moment. In my experience, the tech workers in the US make their "work" their "life" way too…

> It isn't easy. People interact on social media and at work and so if you're angrily criticizing the plight of the Palestinians on social media, your pro-Israel co-worker may bring that conflict into work with them. There are many dimensions to this: 1. Is Alice speaking for the company or can be construed as speaking for the company? Like does her Twitter profile say "VP of X at Y" and is a verified profile? Like I…

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Post by yarg »

jacobrussell wrote: post #404
yarg wrote: post #362

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Culture fit doesn't have to stretch that far - it does not need to be pervasive and it does not need to be toxic. We had a guy from Gaza in our office - he complained about informal emails sent to invite people for drinks because it was sinful, he complained about a manikin that got dressed up at special occasions because it was immodest. I don't know what lines to draw here - but be careful when playing with double-…

> he complained about a manikin that got dressed up at special occasions because it was immodest Uhhhh... dare I ask to explain what was going on with said mannequin? What kind of “special occasion” requires this... ritual? Also, I can’t tell whether you are implying that it would have been better for your coworker to have been filtered out because you think they are too sensitive, or if you are implying that your of…

She'd dress up for christmas and halloween, nothing that bad.

Other than that she sat in the corner (nearish the pool table) being inoffensive.

The second edge: there is the risk that healthy aspects of a prevailing culture will be eroded for the sake of an overly vocal regressive minority.

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Post by Karrot_Kream »

dec0dedab0de wrote: post #387
mhuffman wrote: post #328

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>There are plenty of people who like each other that have nothing in common. The idea that the reason people like people is because they are like them just feels ridiculous to me, but maybe I am an outlier. Personally, the more someone is like me, the less I like them. Yes, you are an outlier. There is a very large amount of studies that show that people like people that are like them. [1] https://journals.sagepub.co…

Yes, you are an outlier. Fair enough There is a very large amount of studies that show that people like people that are like them. The link you provide shows a coefficient of .47 for actual similarity, and .39 for perceived similarity. I'm not good at statistics, but that seems like a far cry from "the reason why people like other people is that they are like them." which is the line I was replying to. If I'm underst…

> The link you provide shows a coefficient of .47 for actual similarity, and .39 for perceived similarity. I'm not good at statistics, but that seems like a far cry from "the reason why people like other people is that they are like them." which is the line I was replying to. If I'm understanding it correctly it would be more accurate to say "people are somewhat more likely to like someone who is like them." If that's what was originally written, then I probably wouldn't have replied.

r, or Pearson's Correlation Coefficient [1], is a value from -1 to 1. for r 0 the variables are positively correlated, and for |r| ~= 0, the variables are uncorrelated. 0.47 and 0.39 are high values of correlation.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearson_correlation_coefficien...

Re: Video game developers at Activision Blizzard say they'll walk out Wednesday

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Post by AdrianB1 »

jimbob45 wrote: post #222

Did the women go to HR? If so, just fire all of HR and get a new HR. Did they not go to HR? That's on them and no one should feel bad for them then. No one should be persecuted for not solving your problems for you . I know law offices like very much to get public opinion on their side with strategic leaks so that they can push for a settlement ASAP. If things go to trial, it's likely to come out that their clients a…

I had a couple of complaints about HR in the past; they were investigated by the people I complained about and found they are perfect.

As someone else wrote, HR works to protect the company, not for you.

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Post by imbnwa »

edoceo wrote: post #91
imbnwa wrote: post #74

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The Last of Us Part II I presume

Wild! Heres a summary https://collider.com/last-of-us-2-controversy-explained/

Though I was misattributed the subject of the controversy, I'd like to use this comment to say that TLOU2 is the greatest game I've ever played.

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Post by dougmwne »

nineplay wrote: post #449
AOsborn wrote: post #421

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> Why don't you like them _and_ which of those reasons will affect their job performance? > Do they dismiss any approaches besides their own? Do they think mentoring is a waste of time? Do they think that their code is so obvious that there's no point in documenting? Do they think their code is so perfect that unit tests are unnecessary? These are good reasons to dislike someone and not hire them. > Do you dislike th…

You bring up the really interesting question - is discrimination justified? If it makes the team better, if it makes the product better, if it makes the company better, then maybe the right thing to do is hire the fun white guy instead of the boring brown girl. If people believe that, then I'll only ask that they acknowledge it. Next time someone talks about gender disparity or race disparity, stand up and say "Yep,…

I think there is a much more valid reason if people were being absolutely honest. Powerful and privileged people have spent generations spilling blood and other less violent measures to get on top and stay on top. Being on top only happens through threat of force and excercise of power. The people at the bottom will replace the people at the top if presented with the opportunity. Even if most people are content to live in equality, some will seek advantage and pull up their group. Otherwise kind and cooperative people rarely have any interest in lowering their status. Identity politics seek to treat symptoms but don't touch the root cause. The root cause is probably in our DNA and no social technology has yet proven able to tame the will to power.

And just to make it clear, I don't believe any group has any natural advantage over another, just historical and geopolitical advantage.

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Post by cloverich »

nineplay wrote: post #449
AOsborn wrote: post #421

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> Why don't you like them _and_ which of those reasons will affect their job performance? > Do they dismiss any approaches besides their own? Do they think mentoring is a waste of time? Do they think that their code is so obvious that there's no point in documenting? Do they think their code is so perfect that unit tests are unnecessary? These are good reasons to dislike someone and not hire them. > Do you dislike th…

You bring up the really interesting question - is discrimination justified? If it makes the team better, if it makes the product better, if it makes the company better, then maybe the right thing to do is hire the fun white guy instead of the boring brown girl. If people believe that, then I'll only ask that they acknowledge it. Next time someone talks about gender disparity or race disparity, stand up and say "Yep,…

Can you elaborate a bit on your first point -- hiring the fun person over the boring one. Are you implying you are selecting culture over diversity, or that the persons perception of fun is biased by their preferences?

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Post by scotuswroteus »

yarg wrote: post #473
jacobrussell wrote: post #404

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> he complained about a manikin that got dressed up at special occasions because it was immodest Uhhhh... dare I ask to explain what was going on with said mannequin? What kind of “special occasion” requires this... ritual? Also, I can’t tell whether you are implying that it would have been better for your coworker to have been filtered out because you think they are too sensitive, or if you are implying that your of…

She'd dress up for christmas and halloween, nothing that bad. Other than that she sat in the corner (nearish the pool table) being inoffensive. The second edge: there is the risk that healthy aspects of a prevailing culture will be eroded for the sake of an overly vocal regressive minority.

OR some of these squabbles over lifestyle preferences should not be contested in an office space because people should not be living out their personal lives through office decorations or in anyway identifying with the office in such a way that the hefty and meaningful word "culture" implies. Everyone should have ample personal space and personal time and lives of their own. You shouldn't remember whether the office mannequin needed to be removed. That's a trifle.

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Post by Karrot_Kream »

Aeolun wrote: post #445
brian_cunnie wrote: post #407

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> every woman ... has vitriolic harassment faced (and/or sexual harassment). I experienced being treated differently when I was playing a very attractive Blood Elf Warrior in World of Warcraft ten years ago: a fellow adventurer would continually give me gifts (valuable in-game items). The third time this happened I realized he wasn't being generous—he was courting me! I had to come clean. I messaged him, "Dude, I got…

Aren’t all blood elf warriors equally attractive? Assuming any given female blood elf warrior is actually a female IRL needs a major reality distortion field.

You'd be surprised how many folks fall into this distortion field though (and I fully agree with how silly this is). It's enough such that my partner and many of her female friends only play female avatars in private games.
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