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‘Great Resignation’ gains steam as return-to-work plans take effect

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Post by awsthro00945 »

MisterBastahrd wrote: post #469
awsthro00945 wrote: post #460

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that I have a limited amount of time to invest in things is exactly why those things are necessary to have at the workplace. I like having fun, and I like making friends. Being limited on time, I want to maximize the percentage of time in my life that I spend having fun and I want to maximize the amount of opportunity I get to make friends. It's great that I have personal free time where I can do that, but w…

And as I stated, things change as life goes on. I'm not telling you these things to piss on your parade. I'm giving you perspective that you clearly don't have yet.

Don't assume things about me, and don't condescend onto me like you're some wise master. I'm not some young fresh college grad. I've been around the block plenty, worked at plenty of companies, lived in multiple cities and countries, and seen my fair share of come-and-ago friends. Nothing about what I said changes.

I'm sorry that apparently you haven't been able to (or just haven't bothered to) build the relationships I have been able to, but work is unequivocally an indispensable part of how I (and many others) enjoy life and meet people. I absolutely wouldn't give up the friendships that I made at my workplaces for anything.

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Post by heavyset_go »

drclau wrote: post #283
baron_harkonnen wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> perplexed what the FANGs are even thinking in being so aggressive about pushing an end to WFH I think the divide between WFH and return to the office boils down to something surprisingly simple: how much longer does your current lease last and/or how much office property do you own. Companies that are about to have a lease expire, or are growing at a rate that they would need to soon lease an even larger building a…

> I think the divide between WFH and return to the office boils down to something surprisingly simple: how much longer does your current lease last and/or how much office property do you own. Something I need to point out: the office is still cheaper to run when empty, even if the corporation pays the lease. And as far as I know, no company pays extra for working from home, in fact the opposite seems to be sometimes…

> Something I need to point out: the office is still cheaper to run when empty, even if the corporation pays the lease.

It's a sunk cost fallacy situation. They're already paying for it, so why not put it to use? The collaboration and innovation gains are worth the premium, and they need to stay competitive since $OTHER_COMPANY is going back to the office.

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Post by baby »

null_object wrote: post #12

I honestly don't know whether these articles are over-stating their case, and neither do I know how typical my own experience is, but for some reason it bothers me that the tone of the HN discussion is so reflexively dismissive. I understand that a lot of people will respond to a question of whether they intend to quit their job with a 'you bet!' even at the best of times, but I'm seeing a lot of people quitting and…

I know a bunch of FAANG people who left the bay and were not planning to go back to work. I asked if they would quit if they were forced and they said yes. Like they bought a house and shit.

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Post by busterarm »

Half of my group is leaving the company as a result of our insistence on returning to the office.

As for me, I'm more than happy to relocate to a different office than my current local and as a senior IC with several years in the company and a great track record, my personal negotiating power is better than ever right now.

The only shitty thing is that it's very hard to acquire talent that wants to be in an office right now and the quality of the candidate pools I've been interviewing has dropped off a cliff.

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Post by baby »

dcolkitt wrote: post #15

I’m honestly perplexed what the FANGs are even thinking in being so aggressive about pushing an end to WFH. Sure it could all work out fine for them. Maybe employees will grumble for a bit, then settle back into office life. But maybe it wont’t . There’s a very real possibility that you lose a non-negligible percent of your staff (disproportionately the most talented who have other options), handicap your ability to…

Fb is going full remote for a lot of positions IIUC

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Post by r3trohack3r »

dcolkitt wrote: post #15

I’m honestly perplexed what the FANGs are even thinking in being so aggressive about pushing an end to WFH. Sure it could all work out fine for them. Maybe employees will grumble for a bit, then settle back into office life. But maybe it wont’t . There’s a very real possibility that you lose a non-negligible percent of your staff (disproportionately the most talented who have other options), handicap your ability to…

Taking objection to “FANG”

Netflix engineer here. We’ve been hiring remote during the pandemic and have a permanent WFH policy in place. The policy includes pay tiers depending where you live, but the pay adjustment doesn’t take place until COVID WFH is lifted.

I work on a team that, post covid, has engineers in two countries. I personally live in PHX and won’t be returning to the Bay Area. My salary is currently 100% what my Bay Area was, and will be adjusted down to 80% once the offices fully open.

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Post by brailsafe »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #42

In my experience at least talking to some younger people there is a clear dichotomy: despite all the talk about Gen Z being "digital natives", people new in their career are much hungrier to get back into the office because they don't yet have good career networks built up and they're eager for mentorship. It is older, or at least more established workers who are less keen on that. I don't think FAANGs will have any…

Do they normally have trouble with that? Seems like anyone new to the workforce would at least try a job at a FAANG if they're offered it in a heartbeat unless you're totally full of yourself or somehow have better options. With the exception maybe being deeply held ethical concerns regarding any of them.

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Post by r3trohack3r »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #42

In my experience at least talking to some younger people there is a clear dichotomy: despite all the talk about Gen Z being "digital natives", people new in their career are much hungrier to get back into the office because they don't yet have good career networks built up and they're eager for mentorship. It is older, or at least more established workers who are less keen on that. I don't think FAANGs will have any…

Taking objection to the N in “FAANG”

Netflix engineer here. The portion of the company I work in has been hiring remote during the pandemic and we have a company wide permanent WFH policy (well guidance from HR) in place. The policy includes pay tiers depending on where you live, but the pay adjustment doesn’t take place until COVID WFH is lifted.

I work on a team that, post covid, has engineers in two countries. I personally live in PHX and won’t be returning to the Bay Area. My salary is currently 100% what my Bay Area was, and will be adjusted down to 80% once the offices fully open.

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Post by SavantIdiot »

bootlooped wrote: post #361
SavantIdiot wrote: post #351

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Cube farms of the 80's/90's were the worst. Cube etiquette was in its infancy. Loud talkers, ice chewers, farters, snifflers, oversharers, too much A/C, too little A/C, awful ergonomics, 6'x4' compressed cubicles, shared cubicles. Then there was the crappy cafeteria food, enormous parking lots with 15 minute walks to your car if you showed up after 8am, ... oy.

But didn't they make the office even worse by going from cubicle to open office? Often less space per person, less privacy, noise travels further, visual distractions, etc...

Yeah, that happened. It went from your own tiny cube to an open space with no guaranteed seating. I had already stopped decorating my cube way before this trend, but it seems even more shitty. I am really glad I've been working remotely for the past decade. I have no idea what new offices are like (left offices in 2012).

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Post by sokoloff »

vaidhy wrote: post #199
baron_harkonnen wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> perplexed what the FANGs are even thinking in being so aggressive about pushing an end to WFH I think the divide between WFH and return to the office boils down to something surprisingly simple: how much longer does your current lease last and/or how much office property do you own. Companies that are about to have a lease expire, or are growing at a rate that they would need to soon lease an even larger building a…

I am missing something that connects real estate ownership to WFH policies. Let us assume you have committed to real-estate and you cannot sub-lease it and you are on hook for paying for it. It does not matter whether it is occupied or unoccupied, right? Is there something that reduces the cost if the building is fully occupied rather than mostly empty? If so, companies could remodel the buildings to have lower densi…

If you own commercial real estate, you have some incentive to act in a way that doesn’t undermine the market for commercial real estate.
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