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Post by p_l »

saiya-jin wrote: post #406
woeirua wrote: post #296

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Many employment contracts expressly forbid you from accepting other employment without prior authorization from the company. If his employment contracts contain that provision, then he would definitely be in breach. But... damages would probably be limited to just the salary that the company paid.

Definitely true for most high-paying companies (meaning experienced enough to not have employment contract full of beginner's holes like this). Explicitly forbidding another full time employment, full rights on all intellectual property, non-competing agreements etc. Also explicitly expecting to work ie 40 hours. I would take this with grain of salt the size of Jupiter, since such behavior would quickly show on any e…

Depends on the kind of contract involved. A full-time employment contract (what is often called "permanent" in the west) is one thing, a B2B arrangement is another.

Personally, I haven't had an employment contract for over 6 years now, and in fact to stay in the clear one should ensure they have at least two simultaneous clients - though most ignore that, at least in Poland.

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Post by lilbop »

pzh wrote: post #407
majormajor wrote: post #88

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I'm assuming this is facetious, but... high performers are potentially big winners in a remote world. Let's say someone gets 5x the person next to them done. Very few companies will pay them 5x. Maybe double... But if they can manage their time well enough to get X done in some fraction of the time, they could realistically do two or three full time jobs worth of "normal" work, and increase their pay - and income sec…

This is all good if you’re just given sprint tasks and expected to crank out code for them without much supervision. What happens when any 2 of the 5 jobs decide to schedule a recurring meeting at the same time?

I currently run 3 full time contracts concurrently, and yes meetings clash, but it's easy to get meetings rescheduled if you just ask. Sometimes I have two calls on at the same time if I know its a call where I'm mainly going to be listening. Can always claim "bad internet" and drop out of one to answer question in another.

Re: Facebook extends its work-at-home policy to most employees

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Post by lilbop »

screye wrote: post #256
majormajor wrote: post #88

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I'm assuming this is facetious, but... high performers are potentially big winners in a remote world. Let's say someone gets 5x the person next to them done. Very few companies will pay them 5x. Maybe double... But if they can manage their time well enough to get X done in some fraction of the time, they could realistically do two or three full time jobs worth of "normal" work, and increase their pay - and income sec…

A high performer that can produce 5x on a consistent basis in one job will only be able to produce maybe 2.5x on multiple jobs with significantly more convoluted career progression and schedules. Context switching and context setting are both quite difficult. But a 5xer will quickly promoted to principal level (L6) within a decade of entering their industry if they hop around a couple of times. L6s usually make 2.5x…

It's not my experience that high performers get paid more than peers, people who switch employers and negotiate better pay are the ones that are paid more. Staying at one company and working on career progression is a slow grind to good pay.

The way I see it is that I can come in to a fresh role on that 2.5x peer rate by performing a solid interview at architect/principal level. I then do this for multiple roles concurrently then I'm on 7.5x my peers. Which is actually a pretty good estimate to what I know I'm making in relation to others. I also find the principal/architect roles are sometimes less hands on and you're being paid for knowledge and advice, so it actually makes it less of a burden to product high output.

Re: Facebook extends its work-at-home policy to most employees

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Post by lilbop »

icebergwarrior wrote: post #360
dreyfan wrote: post #75

I currently have 10 fully remote engineering jobs. The bar is so low, oversight is non-existent, and everyone is so forgiving for under performance I can coast about 4-8 weeks before a given job fires me. Currently on a $1.5M run-rate for comp this year. And the interviewing process is so much faster today, companies are desperate, it takes me 2-3hrs of total effort to land a new job with thousands to chose from.

The most unbelievable part of this is that you have 10 "mid-to-senior level in "must have" positions like Data Science or Data Engineering" that only pay $150k each on average. I do not believe you.

I 100% believe them. I'm doing something similar but with 3x concurrent roles and am considering adding a few more. You'll be surprised how bad you have to be to get fired. I can go days doing nothing, then crank at a few hours work for one pull request on a Friday and people are happy.

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Post by xondono »

lilbop wrote: post #473
screye wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A high performer that can produce 5x on a consistent basis in one job will only be able to produce maybe 2.5x on multiple jobs with significantly more convoluted career progression and schedules. Context switching and context setting are both quite difficult. But a 5xer will quickly promoted to principal level (L6) within a decade of entering their industry if they hop around a couple of times. L6s usually make 2.5x…

It's not my experience that high performers get paid more than peers, people who switch employers and negotiate better pay are the ones that are paid more. Staying at one company and working on career progression is a slow grind to good pay. The way I see it is that I can come in to a fresh role on that 2.5x peer rate by performing a solid interview at architect/principal level. I then do this for multiple roles conc…

That’s where the “hop around” comes in.

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Post by danilocesar »

whiskyant wrote: post #405
rcpt wrote: post #375

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Obviously holding down 3 staff engineer jobs at FANG. No problem. Everyone's doing it now c'mon ya doofus

Even top of band senior pay can do $500k at FANG.

I guarantee you that you won't "get by" at a FANG doing bare minimum for more than a month.

Also, I doubt anyone doing this kind of work will get get a second FANG work after failing the first.

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Post by danilocesar »

paxys wrote: post #355
biztos wrote: post #317

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I get that this is a joke, but — would that be legal in the US? In Germany it definitely would not, at least not without it being specifically allowed by your contract. But maybe in the US, as long as you didn’t have a conflict of interest? Would the amount of total time worked matter? Would doing it in multiple states simultaneously matter?

While it is not explicitly illegal, you are most definitely violating your employment agreement so your employer will fire you if they find out and might sue you as well. The problem is really that multiple parties may be able to claim the rights to all of your output while you were on their payroll, which is obviously messy from a legal standpoint.

If real, this guy has contracting jobs. He's probably not an employee in any of those companies.

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Post by cratermoon »

0x0nyandesu wrote: post #309
cratermoon wrote: post #275

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Architecture definitely matters. Ever been to the Honolulu airport? Lots of open air. The Lihue Airport on Kauaʻi is open air. Check-in is in the open.

Same on Maui

Some day I should visit Maui. I hear it's the least built up of the islands served by scheduled commercial passenger service.

Re: Facebook extends its work-at-home policy to most employees

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Post by cratermoon »

baby wrote: post #456
cratermoon wrote: post #266

Are they still doing the "you get paid based on where you live, not how valuable you are to the company" thing?

It was always like that tbh, west coast makes more than east cost which makes more than europe employees

Yes but that was based on living near (commuting distance from) the company's offices. If my employer's office is in NYC or SF but I live in Oklahoma and work remotely, companies like FB and others I know of will pay me Oklahoma wages. I could be a Level V and make less than a Level I living in the Bay Area.

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Post by foobiekr »

dreyfan wrote: post #75

I currently have 10 fully remote engineering jobs. The bar is so low, oversight is non-existent, and everyone is so forgiving for under performance I can coast about 4-8 weeks before a given job fires me. Currently on a $1.5M run-rate for comp this year. And the interviewing process is so much faster today, companies are desperate, it takes me 2-3hrs of total effort to land a new job with thousands to chose from.

You should really consider working for several of the large bay area legacy companies like HP, Veritas, Symantec, NetApp, etc. The "work life balance" at these places is quite good in the sense that most engineers aren't working much.

I think you could easily do two or three jobs at once and accumulate overlapping stock grants quite easily. That overlap eventually gets your yearly to a serious amount.

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