2022 Ford F-150 Lightning • Hacker News Board

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by ggreer » Fri, May 21, 2021, 4:43 PM UTC

rootusrootus wrote: post #271

leesec wrote: post #230

I'm really happy Ford and others are starting to actually deliver on EV's. I do however think there will be a long list of issues as they scale the roll out, given the newness and complexity of this product. Here are some concerns I think people should be aware of: 1. No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. Using existing non-supercharging networks is not feasible for any long distance.…

> No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. I agree that this is important, but it is 99% psychological. In the entire time I owned my Tesla, I used the supercharger a half dozen times. Most people with an EV that has 200+ miles of range will rarely use DC fast chargers.

What do you do for road trips? The supercharger network is essential for that.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by bhouser » Fri, May 21, 2021, 4:44 PM UTC

bryanlarsen wrote: post #278

I get to eat my hat somewhat. I hope it's tasty. Just a few days ago I made the comment that the Cybertruck's killer feature is it's $40K price tag, if and only if that price tag actually happens. I said that Ford could not make a decent EV F-150 at that price point unless they throw their dealerships under the bus. And here we are with a $40K EV F-150. I'm glad I added the caveats though -- the $40K F150 is for comm…

I think the $40k price tag is deceptive if you look a bit closer. The extended range 300 mile battery is only available on the Platinum edition which starts at $60k IIRC, otherwise you're stuck with 230 miles which IMO going to make the truck feel hamstringed.

The $50k Cybertruck gets you 300 miles.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by philshem » Fri, May 21, 2021, 4:44 PM UTC

Miner49er wrote: post #468

philshem wrote: post #460

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you. As a cyclist and pedestrian (who does own a normally-sized car), I was getting pretty frustrated by the lack of safety discussed in the comments. https://twitter.com/lloydalter/status/1395326192908218371?s=...

I agree this is less safe for pedestrians, which matters in cities, but it is maybe safer in rural areas? I'd much rather hit a deer or moose going 80 in a tall truck then a short truck. Also, in my experience, people drive much slower in smaller towns, and are therefore less likely to hit a pedestrian or cyclist. Plus the added visibility is nice and certainly would increase safety, I would think.

I guess suburbs are where these trucks and people most often encounter each other.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by Loughla » Fri, May 21, 2021, 4:44 PM UTC

bryanlarsen wrote: post #446

Miner49er wrote: post #409

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I grew up in a place where I can't even think of a family that didn't have at least one truck. I'm honestly confused by the dislike of them. I really don't understand how you can own a house with a decent sized yard and not own a truck or at least a trailer. How do you get any yard or house work done without one?

Much of the hate is for modern trucks. Trucks from 40 years ago were much more practical than the modern truck -- 8 foot beds, sides you could reach over, et cetera. The massive height of current trucks just makes them more dangerous, less fuel efficient, less practical.

Massive height, less durable materials in the work areas (aluminum bed, I'm looking at you), more seats, and much smaller bed areas. All of those things contribute to the fall of practicality.

I tried to find a regular cab, regular bed F-150 about four months ago. To do that, I would've had to buy a fleet vehicle intended for a manufacturer or to be converted into like a plumbing truck. Everything else has 4 doors and a 5' bed. I don't want an SUV, I want a truck with a full sized bed.

The sales people were genuinely confused as to why I wouldn't want a quad-cab, and why I needed an 8' bed. They legitimately never had that conversation with anyone unless they were looking for a fleet truck.

What a world.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by criley2 » Fri, May 21, 2021, 4:45 PM UTC

whymauri wrote: post #256

jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

>It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. I got a rental car recently and they gave me a bright red pickup because it was the fastest option. I was surprised by the good vibes I got from all the other pickup drivers, lol. It's like I got inducted into a secret club for a day with a lot of waves and thumbs up. A woman went up to my group in a parking lot and said something like "Hell yea…

It works OK that way, they accept new members of their club when you conform. However, I've had my Prius damaged by rural folk (in lots mostly full of pickups) on multiple occasions. (Joys of having family who decide because of politics that they're rural farmers now).

I'm sure rural pickup drivers are lovely folk when you conform to their cultural, racial, and/or lifestyle choices -- that's the point!

But I've never met a Prius driver who felt the need to key or slash a pickup trucks tires, both of things which have sadly happened to my Prius in rural parking lots.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by aidenn0 » Fri, May 21, 2021, 4:45 PM UTC

Miner49er wrote: post #409

jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

I grew up in a place where I can't even think of a family that didn't have at least one truck. I'm honestly confused by the dislike of them. I really don't understand how you can own a house with a decent sized yard and not own a truck or at least a trailer. How do you get any yard or house work done without one?

When I was in college a friend of mine who did construction work drove a Ford Ranger from the mid 1980s. It had a larger bed than the typical truck I see on the road today, while also being far smaller.

I live in a wealthy town, and you can tell someone's political affiliation like this:

- Tesla -> Democrat

- Immaculate crew-cab pickup truck -> Republican

- Beatup truck with 8' bed -> rancher

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by jabart » Fri, May 21, 2021, 4:45 PM UTC

avidphantasm wrote: post #434

dboreham wrote: post #319

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Story from when we moved to Montana 20 years ago: We buy a freezer at Costco. Checking out, we ask for details on delivery. Costco employee says "Oh, we don't deliver". We had been used to Costco in CA which at the time would deliver large items. I ask "Well, how do people get big things like freezers home". Costco person says "Easy, just put it in your pickup, we'll help you load". "Hmm...we don't own a pickup". Cos…

Or just rent a pickup when you need it for $50 a day? Fancy-boy pickups easily cost upwards of $50k.

New F150 XLT Supercrew (4-door) in 2014 for me was off the lot at $29k.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by Koshkin » Fri, May 21, 2021, 4:45 PM UTC

bryanlarsen wrote: post #446

Miner49er wrote: post #409

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I grew up in a place where I can't even think of a family that didn't have at least one truck. I'm honestly confused by the dislike of them. I really don't understand how you can own a house with a decent sized yard and not own a truck or at least a trailer. How do you get any yard or house work done without one?

Much of the hate is for modern trucks. Trucks from 40 years ago were much more practical than the modern truck -- 8 foot beds, sides you could reach over, et cetera. The massive height of current trucks just makes them more dangerous, less fuel efficient, less practical.

Same with sedans, actually: today's Corolla looks like it's twice as big as the 90s' Camry.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, May 21, 2021, 4:45 PM UTC

jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by S_A_P » Fri, May 21, 2021, 4:45 PM UTC

jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

Well said. Lots of people like to assert that light trucks are pedestrian killers compared to cars but according to at least 1 source[0] they are responsible for fewer deaths than passenger cars. I have worked in downtown Houston, where a lot of walking was the norm. There were multiple times that I would walk down the street and see vehicle, after vehicle occupied by a distracted driver. At one point in time I counted 7 vehicles in a row where the driver was moving and looking at their phone and not the road ahead. IMHO this is the real problem. Another problem is there seems to be a migration towards the hot take tabloid for car magazines/websites. More clicks are generated with hot takes about cars than something I would prefer which was objective testing and data.

Now for the tongue in cheek ironic part of the post Finally had to just stop visiting sites like Jalopnik(a car site written by people who hate cars), TTAC(used to just be the right leaning car website, but now is having Jalopnik envy), and The Drive(A new car site by the guy who started Jalopnik and decided only one toxic car site attributed to him was not enough).

[0]https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/11/4/232