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It has never been proven that deflation is bad - Keynesians claim this is the worst thing in the world, but I still have never had it explained to me coherently way deflation is inherently a bad thing.
Deflation can be devastating to those in debt. If you take out a loan for a house or a tractor, then subsequently discovering that you have to pay back substantially more than you borrowed (before even factoring in interest!) could be quite a shock. To give a simplified example, if a farmer takes out a $50k loan, then at current prices they might be thinking that can be repaid by selling 10,000 bushels of produce at…
The political case for a blanket cryptocurrency ban
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Ha! Look up "user activated soft fork" or "UASF". Ultimately, Bitcoin is backed by node operators and widespread social consensus. Thinking China can just split and control the network is a pretty serious misunderstanding of the power dynamic in this system.. one we all had demonstrated at the conclusion of the block size wars.
> Bitcoin is backed by node operators and widespread social consensus Satoshi wanted it to be backed by Proof of Work, but now you’re saying Bitcoin is backed by social consensus... just like the US Dollar I guess?
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I don't like the way bitcoin mining wastes energy, but mining gold certainly has an environmental impact. Most of the machinery is currently powered by fossil fuels, and most of the gold isn't used for useful applications AFAIK. I'm glad some cryptos are moving to proof of stake, and I wonder if bitcoin will be able to make that transition too, or if the miners have too much to lose to let that happen?
> mining gold certainly has an environmental impact Can you quantify the environmental impact of gold mining? How does it compare to the CO2 output of a medium-sized country?
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How is cryptocurrency different than all the other non-real digital goods that have become valuable over the years? Games like second life and Eve did the digital currency thing way before bitcoin. How is a pretend coin you can trade for money different than a pretend game currency you can trade for money? Because one is traded on the stock market and increasingly accepted in real world transactions? There was and li…
In EVE Online, the only permitted flow is as follows: you buy subscription time for real money from CCP Games. Others can then buy subscription time from you for in-game currency. In-game currency can only be spent in-game. It doesn't really seem very similar to cryptocurrency to me; could you explain some more about how you think it's the same?
That website appears to me to be very much like an exchange for trading EVE online ISK for USD.
The average rate seems to be between $42-$45 for 5000 ISK.
It seems to be a time based currency where its value is based on a player's willingness to spend time grinding.
Re: The political case for a blanket cryptocurrency ban
#475Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ha! Look up "user activated soft fork" or "UASF". Ultimately, Bitcoin is backed by node operators and widespread social consensus. Thinking China can just split and control the network is a pretty serious misunderstanding of the power dynamic in this system.. one we all had demonstrated at the conclusion of the block size wars.
> Bitcoin is backed by node operators and widespread social consensus Satoshi wanted it to be backed by Proof of Work, but now you’re saying Bitcoin is backed by social consensus... just like the US Dollar I guess?
Re: The political case for a blanket cryptocurrency ban
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> Maybe in a whitepaper. In the real world, it's mostly about speculation and enabling crime. Speculation I could agree with... however, Crime? Really? Got anything to back this up? The vast majority of crime is performed using cash. https://hodlhard.io/blog/bitcoin-crime/
I performed a napkin calculation about percentage of criminal transactions using $100 bills [1]. [1] https://twitter.com/sergueyz/status/1365040381155491841 Quote: "$100 bill spans 22-23 years with about 20 operations per year, 450 operations in total, 220 for median. We need to calculate probability p that operation is not illicit. p=0.2^(1/220)=0.9927. Probability that operation is illicit is 1-p=0.0073 or 0.73%."…
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>But I don't think I find it very convincing, or at least it's too exaggerated. Fighter jets and nukes primarily protect physical property and institutions, not cash. Typically, the concept of "military force" like fighter jets, aircraft carriers, etc in criticism about fiat currency (especially $USD) is about connecting the dots to explain the strength of that currency. E.g., USA gets Saudi Arabia to sell oil denomi…
I honestly don't understand your comment. You're comparing two completely different things. Bitcoin mining protects the currency. Meanwhile you talk about the USA securing its access to oil by using a potent "weapon" called the US dollar, delivered by the US military. The dollar isn't what's being protected, what's being protected is the entire economic system of the USA that is dependent on oil. If it was really abo…
The two are inextricably linked. You could not run an economy of this size without a currency to underpin trading value and denominating debt. So defending the strength of the economy is defending the strength of the currency the economy is denominated in.
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On the contrary, inflation forces you to buy products and invest in things you don't necessarily need, in order to escape the intentional destruction of your wealth. In a world where we are trying to avoid mindless consumption, inflation encourages that. Deflation doesn't discourage investment and consumption. You still need to eat, have shelter, and pursue happiness. It increases the bar at which you will part with…
> Deflation doesn't discourage investment and consumption...it increases the bar at which you will part with your money Euphemistically rephrasing something is not a refutation. Inflation does not make investment decisions "mindless", but deflation does make the average risk adjusted return on an investment negative. > It increases the bar at which you will part with your money, as merely holding it has a high level…
You can have an economy with a single dollar, if it can split far enough. Printing new money isn’t increasing the total amount of wealth in the world. It is redistribution.
Re: The political case for a blanket cryptocurrency ban
#480This article seems to intentionally ignore the core reason for cryptocurrencies; escaping inflation and control. The article then proposes to use the law to bring those people back within the control of fiat and government oversight. I no longer think the environmental argument is really plausible here. Clearly crypto mining is emitting using a lot of power and some of that is CO2. But the competition is fiat; backed…
That seems like a non-sequitur. Proof of work crypto generates an astonishing large amount of CO2 to little effect. Some other alternatives are bad in other ways, yes, but that doesn't make the CO2 go away.
I live in a small, peaceful, stable country with a very small military and very safe banks. If you're really trying to make some sort of argument that fiat currencies can't exist without a significant CO2 expenditure to try and enforce neoliberal orthodoxy at the barrel of a gun then that is very obviously untrue.
> Instead it's protected by this mining fleet. And if you want to contest ownership there's no one to invade
So your argument is that nobody will steal my fiat currency from my electronic wallet (aka, bank account) because of the police, but nobody will steal my crypto currency from my electronic wallet because of their respect for pure math; no need for law and order?
Respectfully, you might want to try and develop that argument a little further.
> It's a small step in the direction of getting away from all these endless wars and control.
Key driver of most wars is resources, especially energy, not money. I'm confident that we are not collectively dumb enough as a species to end up in a state where we're fighting wars to obtain energy resources to fuel blockchain mining, but that is a thing that can theoretically happen.
I think you're falling prey to the is/ought distinction. It would be nice if crypto currencies could somehow create world peace, resolve the contradictions of late stage capitalism, cure cancer, . But they obviously can't, and I would suggest pretending otherwise is pointless.