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Robinhood, in Need of Cash, Raises $1B from Its Investors

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Re: Robinhood, in Need of Cash, Raises $1B from Its Investors

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So much for the conspiracy theory about Robinhood changing policies to favor institutional traders over retail investors. Speculation is healthy but I am surprised to see so many educated people fall for social media fear mongering to the point that they decided to drive down Robinhood’s app reviews. Many of my friends who ate up all the outrage are the same people who laughed at QAnon conspiracy theorists, but here…

>Speculation is healthy I've never seen somebody say speculation is healthy but rather the opposite. Care to elaborate?

Without speculation there wouldnt be new theories. But ofcause its more risky than argueing in proven ground. Sometimes the risk materializes. At othertimes the speculation is a win.

Re: Robinhood, in Need of Cash, Raises $1B from Its Investors

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I'm not sure about this. If there's clear and blatant market manipulation on the part of the broker (which will likely get them hauled in before the SEC btw) then I imagine many investors/traders looking at this from the sidelines will be pulling their accounts as well, whether they're involved in this directly or not.

> likely get them hauled in before the SEC More or less likely than enabling or collaborating with the crowd to massively pump a stock for the sole purpose of disturbing the market? This, to me, looks like their stay-out-of-jail card.

I think it will depend on furore that remains after the dust has settled. It seems to have become a bipartisan issue (when last did the US have one of those?) which means if people stay angry enough they will still be pulled before SEC. Civil class action lawsuits have already been filed against RH and the like.

If the SEC could they would probably pull the stock pumpers as well, but you can ask Hollywood how easy it is to pull a random crowd of Internet disruptors in front of any kind of court in practice. Very difficult to prove coordination in a case like this as well, although not impossible

Re: Robinhood, in Need of Cash, Raises $1B from Its Investors

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GME’s market cap is still in the low billions after the bubble, it’s not even .1% of the market.

In a volatile market - a single share may trade many times a day - and Robinhood has to have enough to cover each trade (not share) - so the market cap is not a ceiling. It's likely RH didn't have enough money to adequately cover the levels of volatility (or they projected they wouldn't, soon).

Apple alone had a volume of 170M on Friday, for a total of $0.9B cover required, GME had 50M or $10B cover needed at ~$200.

There would have to be an insane ratio of meme-stock trading vs SP500 for GME alone to impact their cash requirements - if that’s the case it seems they dug their own grave...

Re: Robinhood, in Need of Cash, Raises $1B from Its Investors

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Just saw the interview, looks about what I'd expect from IBKR and why I use them.

So you are ok with your broker restricting your investment options, because one of hedge funds they sell your order flow to made a bunch of dumb decisions which put the whole market into very fragile position?

FWIW, this is how the market works more or less.

There is a fixed amount that is deposited into a varaiety of accounts, let's say the total is T and individual accounts are T_i.

There are also consistent monthly inflows into a variety of T_i's that are dwarfed by T. These mostly go into scheduled investments (ETFs, etc). Call these TM_i.

The majority of T is invested and not traded. The total amount available for short term trades is T_t which is perhaps (in my estimation) 20% of T. That's still a large amount. Howver, this 20% sets the price. Everything happens at the margins.

Trading is the act of taking from one T_i into another T_i. That's it.

That's the job of clearinghouses. Each broker has to settle up at some point but also has to have collateral deposited in order to make sure that they can settle up. This collateral fluctuates depending on volatility.

The worry was that given the obscene run, brokers would not be able to settle up.

IBKR did the right thing to keep a catastrophic problem from developing.

Of course, shorting 130% of a stocks float is a problem that needs to be resolved as well as this is the root cause. If it were just 20-30% then this would never have happened.

So where was IBKR when people were shorting 130% of stocks?

Your guess is as good as mine but my guess is that _their_ risk management, which is very good, handled this reasonably well in their little bubble and they could have potentially been punished by the actions of other people and decided that this was not a risk they were willing to take.

Tough thing to resolve but by talking about it, I think it can be resolved well.

Root cause: somehow, you can short more than the float.

Re: Robinhood, in Need of Cash, Raises $1B from Its Investors

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post #101

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This is why I prefer my money be with IBKR. I already know when it comes to volatility, they are going to choose IBKR over my account which is good because usually "my account" is fine but its the others who are doing really crazy things. I know IBKR will be around in the morning. That's why I love them.

IBKR's highly visible and active risk management-- e.g. their proactive increase in margin requirements in advance of recent political events-- is a major positive point in their favour.

Exactly. And it turns out, if you are a good trader, you can negotiate your margin.

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post #151

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They were also caught discriminating against... well, you can probably finish this sentence. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-santanderbank-mortgages-i...

> It also refused loans to 30 percent of low-income applicants, compared to the aggregate rate of 18 percent Why refusing to loan money to low-income borrowers is supposed to be discrimination? If someone has minimal income they are far less likely to repay loan, why this is supposed to be indicator of some discrimination? If someone earn 30k per year and someone earns 3000k per year then it is not surprising that lo…

They were doing it significsntly more than their competitors.

Re: Robinhood, in Need of Cash, Raises $1B from Its Investors

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Can anyone answer me this question: if they needed to cover themselves from the margins that people were using, why didn't they keep enabled the ability to buy shares with cash?

So apparently, a buy trade takes two days to clear. It just looks instant on the app. During the time it takes for your cash to go to rh to dtc to the other end, robinhood has to put up a collateral for some guarantee that the cash for the transaction will exist. Usually this collateral is between 1-3%. Because of how volatile gme is at the moment, dtc upped the percentage to 100%. So for every buy, rh has to put up…

thanks a lot, that makes perfect sense.

Re: Robinhood, in Need of Cash, Raises $1B from Its Investors

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Except you misunderstand one important part in the system, and that is credit drives the wheel of growth. Cryptocurrencies, while transactions settle much faster, are designed around a "hard-money" ideology. You know what's worse than inflation? Deflation. Now, there are pushes for credit in the cryptocurrency world, but as of now, it doesn't seem widespread. Of course credit systems have their own problems, like deb…

Credit absolutely can, and actively does, exist in the crypto world. If I have 10 bitcoins, I can lend them to whoever I want. I have to rely on the legal system to get them back in the case of a bad actor, but there are other emerging coins which encode the idea of credit into the blockchain itself. I doubt they'll work very well; the legal system is still critical to ensuring credit functions, and that doesn't have…

Credit systems are absolutely created by the government if they involve the dollar (or other sovereign currency). There is not a bank in the modern world that lends money. Banks don't lend out existing assets.

I'm sure there are crypto systems that create this kind of credit, but "lending out your bitcoin to someone" is very different than how Banks create credit.

Re: Robinhood, in Need of Cash, Raises $1B from Its Investors

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"To continue operating, it drew on a line of credit from six banks amounting to between $500 million and $600 million to meet higher margin, or lending, requirements from its central clearing facility for stock trades, known as the Depository Trust & Clearing Corporation." Non-zero chance had they not haulted trading on those symbols they would've been insolvent by close of trading today, depending on the size of the…

They wouldn't have been insolvent, they just wouldn't be able to process additional transactions until previous transactions had settled.

The trade-off was suspending trading on some stocks vs suspending trading on everything when they hit their limit.

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