Is there any reason to keep the Same Origin Policy after this change? I mean, shouldn't this change defeat CSRF attacks?
Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies
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Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies
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People don't want adds. how do you infer that people want ads because the ad industry is profitable? It's profitable because a few people want to influence and spy on a lot of people. Most people don't want ads they just tolerate them for getting actual services. Most these people don't even know how much tracking is involved and how nefarious this industry really is.
Why do they work? Why can I go start a business and scale it to millions of paying customers by using ads?
Because there are businesses and politicians willing to pay through the nose to get their message in front of those that they want to influence, and you are then the middleman that gets our irritation and ad blockers and pushback for contributing to the proliferation of the most invasive, unscrupulous segment of our entire society.
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Great morally charged argument, but I am not sure how you expect content creators to monetize.
Charge money, either directly for the content, or indirectly in the form of patronage or a service or other business you run.
Yep, these exist as alternatives as of now, but require an explicit payment step which might cause more friction than ads.
I think a service that allows for website usage based payments, a Spotify/Apple News for websites would be interesting. I can see a decentralized crypto application evolving around this usecase
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I still use checks because in the US there are certain things you can't use a credit card for, e.g. loan payments. I pay contractors with checks because almost none accept credit cards and cash gets cumbersome once you start getting into 4 and 5 digits. My local utilities all charge a "convenience fee" of a few dollars when paying online or with a credit card. Sending a check in the mail costs me only $0.50. (Even th…
Can't you use a wire-transfer or an ACH transfer? All those use cases are easily solved with electronic transactions in most of Europe, Asia and even in Latin American countries like brazil. They are usually inexpensive or free and instantaneous.
ACH in the US is not simple to use. Companies that accept ACH payments are using a payment processor that comes with a fee (usually less than credit card fees); contractors aren't going to set that up. Consumer to consumer transfers built on ACH have increased in the last couple of years, but with low limits, inappropriate for contractors, and generally with terms of service prohibitting business use. It's easy to move money between my accounts with tools based on ACH, though. There's nowhere at my bank where I can say send $x to a routing number and account number, it takes a bunch of setup work.
Wire transfers are expensive here; my credit union which doesn't generally have high fees, charges $29 to send a wire (they don't charge for incomming wires, but some banks do). I've had some brokerages with free wires, but usually that's tied to a balance requirement or in connection with a company sponsored account (for stock based compensation or retirement accounts).
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Modern ad networks are essentially the “fax machine flyers” of old: someone you don’t know using your resources and your time, denying you use of your own resources temporarily, to send you something you don’t want. Except now it’s like every “normal” fax page includes 15,000 flyers.
I wonder how many people reading this comment are thinking, "what's a fax machine?" :o) I like the analogy, but I wonder how effective it is on anyone under the age of what, 35?
Pharmacy, nursing, and medical students will find out soon enough.
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I use NextDNS for this, it's brilliant. (I'm not affiliated with them in any way, just a happy customer.)
Same. I got tired of Pihole breaking for one reason or another (although I certainly adore the project). NextDNS works extremely well, provides a native app for every device, runs on my router, and is dead simple to maintain.
Hear hear. The only problem I’ve had was when I set it up on my router and my IKEA smart lights stopped responding after some 30 min or so. Turns out the gateway phones home and those calls were blocked, so for some reason or another the gateway just stopped responding to commands. Restarting it or resetting the network made it fly again, but only for the set time before it phoned home again. I was very disappointed by that, after having read some article here on HN arguing that IKEA had actually done IoT sort of right. Oh well.
Obviously not a NextDNS specific issue, it’d happen with anything that blocks the call, but just putting it out there for the next sucker that tries to google why their IKEA gateway suddenly stops responding.
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> Are you somehow suggesting that they should just sit there and hope that people who have never heard of their product independently decide they happen to want or need that product and seek it out, unprompted? Yeah, it's even got a name: shopping.
> Yeah, it's even got a name: shopping. So, for direct to consumer companies who only ship online, SEO? Here's the thing: ads can be useful. Awhile back I got a, highly targeted, ad for high protein sugar free cereal. That's awesome! I am 100% the target audience for that product, and until I saw that ad I had no clue it existed! To find a product like that I'd have to search for it, but I would never search for an e…
So let's designate .biz as the place where advertisements live, and turn it into the online yellow pages (plus all the other scum to be expected) and ban anything resembling advertising from every other TLD.
Those who want to shop know where to go. Those who don't, know where to avoid.
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How would you measure bytes if the requests are blocked?
Run the same requests throught different end points. Each through pihole & unfiltered, while monitoring the traffic on both.
Doesn’t that defeat the point of pihole? Though I suppose if what you want to do is measure things it makes sense.
Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies
#480These advertising networks are destroying web performance. Most of these "Supercookies" are optimizations to improve performance. By abusing them, advertisers have turned what should be a great performance tool into a liability. I know FF suggests this won't significantly affect most websites performance, but web advertising and trackers are already responsible for a huge chunk of performance issues already. Of cours…
With data caps you are paying to be advertised to.