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Re: Dropbox to cut 11% of its global workforce

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Why are we lumping in Netflix instead of Microsoft in the group of big tech?

Because the term was popularized by Jim Cramer on Mad Money referring to the growth of Facebook, Apple, Netflix & Google back in 2013. $MSFT hadn't really taken off like the others until later that year.

> $MSFT hadn't really taken off

This statement seems so funny considering 20 years ago Microsoft were all the FAANGs

Re: Dropbox to cut 11% of its global workforce

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Maybe Steve Jobs is right, but maybe it's also good for the world if you can build a sustainable business on a feature. In the world of music, an effects pedal or guitar stomp box is more "feature" than "product". You can't write a song just using a chorus pedal. But there are many many thriving companies that do nothing but produce and sell pedals. Much of this likely rests on the fact that the "protocols" that musi…

I think the problem is: a) it's too easy to build data syncing into other products b) the ease of having syncing built into the product I'm using is really powerful When Dropbox first came out a lot of software was a lot more "local", and Dropbox was a lot more useful. But now we have Google Docs and Office 365 for most documents, git/GitHub, etc. for source code, things like Figma are starting to crop up for designe…

> Unless someone for some reason comes up with a product that's just amazing compared to its competition but has no syncing capabilities, or syncing becomes incredibly difficult to implement well, I don't see why people would use Dropbox.

For me Dropbox has the following advantages:

* it works with _all_ my files and applications (not only those with sync built-in) * it's a separate product, that does one thing only, where I explicitly pay for that thing. It's not an after-thought or something whose business model is unclear or is against my privacy * for the same reason I am less worried that the company behind it will pull the plug because it's not the main focus

I much happier to pay more for a service/product with a clear focus made by a company that doesn't a gazillion other things. (Btw for similar reasons I think that Evernote is damaging itself with their strategy of chasing new features at all costs).

Re: Dropbox to cut 11% of its global workforce

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Happy paid user here.

Dropbox has a polished app everywhere, syncs flawlessly and is reliable.

Saving a coffee/month doesn’t worth my time wasted on finding an alternative that works on a number of platforms that my collaborators and I use.

Re: Dropbox to cut 11% of its global workforce

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> markdown note apps sync with Google Drive Can you recommend the app please? I migrated away from Evernote when it started to have too much features, and was no longer convenient note taking app. I'm using Apple Notes now, which is more or less good, but it is vendor-locked, and I plan to move away from iPhone to Android.

I've recently move to using a git repo has my store for notes, and different clients for access and editing. On Desktop I use Obsidian (although most anything will do) and on mobile I use GitJournal which easily links into an existing git repo.

> on mobile I use GitJournal

Is it good?

On mobile the common case is to launch an app and immediately see/search the notes.

Or type something, close the app and assume notes are synched.

But git pull and git push are not blazing fast operations. And there are no pushes, to get updates from the server immediately.

Git is a good storage, but I doubt it is suitable for notes without intermediate service handing note-specific scenarios.

Re: Dropbox to cut 11% of its global workforce

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The problem is that maybe Steve Jobs was right after all and Dropbox is a feature not a product. Dropbox file syncing is best in class but for the vast majority of users that is probably not the most important thing for them. Most people won't run into the hard edge cases that Dropbox has solved better than the others. And something like Google Drive derives it's value from he fact that is deeply integrated into GSui…

> Dropbox is a feature not a product. I don't think so. It's a product which enables a lot of useful features on a variety of devices, including Linux desktops. No competitors of Dropbox enables the same functionality under Linux. This is why I use, and will continue to use it. Yes, iCloud just works and Google Drive works well enough, but none of them works on Linux. Nextcloud doesn't create too many problems but ne…

I thought HN established a long time ago that you could build such a system yourself quite trivially by getting an FTP account, mounting it locally with curlftpfs, and then using SVN or CVS on the mounted filesystem.

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> Dropbox is a feature not a product. I don't think so. It's a product which enables a lot of useful features on a variety of devices, including Linux desktops. No competitors of Dropbox enables the same functionality under Linux. This is why I use, and will continue to use it. Yes, iCloud just works and Google Drive works well enough, but none of them works on Linux. Nextcloud doesn't create too many problems but ne…

Linux is just 2% of the desktop market. Apple and Microsoft have good enough cloud storage + sync, so Dropbox needs to be even more compellling on macOS/windows to survive. Their Dropbox Transfer offering is a nice alternate revenue stream for them. I wonder what else they can come up with.

(And like 75% of the mobile market!)

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Drew has always been this self-centered. About a year ago he got up in front of the whole company to whine about how engineers are eating too many potato chips from the kitchen, announcing "belt tightening". Completely ridiculous statements from a multibillionaire. Around the same time the company paid out very little of nominal bonus plan. I quit over the bonus fiasco and many other people in my area left at the sam…

haha, did this actually happen? i imagine him being in the kitchen discovering the empty remains of the last bag of potato chips immediately prior.

Yes it actually happened and it is not even the first time that I've had to suffer through a gazillionaire whining about how software developers' Doritos appetites were too costly. I had previously heard the same thing during Google's "scrappy" phase.

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For individuals Dropbox is quite expensive compared to services like OneDrive. Microsoft 365 Personal is 70$/year and gives you 1TB on OneDrive and full access to the Office offering. Dropbox for individuals is 200$/year for 3TB. And nothing else. Unless you're hoarding data or want to avoid Microsoft, the choice is simple. And I'm sure you have even cheaper services.

I actually switched to OneDrive when Dropbox changed their pricing a while ago. Microsoft's offering was way more competitive on both price (€100/yr for 5x1TB) and features (Office access and integration, etc.)

Yes, but I have 1 gbit uplink and upload speads are 3 megabytes per second at best. Actually, I tried via rclone from VPSs at various locations also and no change. Frankly, that's shit. I've been paying the 2€/month 100GB storage plan simply because the OneDrive Android app does its job of offloading photos quickly well but that's really it's good for. That, and uploading 100K-1M Office documents.

As soon as I noticed this issue, the deal of 1TB storage with a O365 subscription also went sour. 1TB I can't really use -- no deal.

This problem is well known; it's all over the internet -- OneDrive is a sloth. It doesn't affect downloads, btw.

Re: Dropbox to cut 11% of its global workforce

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This is interesting because having layoffs at a company that should be going off like a rocket during a pandemic is odd. What is going on at Dropbox that prevented them from taking advantage of the huge shift to remote work?

I churned when Dropbox started removing features and asking for more money. e.g. limits on number of devices, more frequent nags, forcing me to unlink devices that had already been linked. I'm not going to be bullied into being a paying customer.

When they limited the number of devices I looked at the paid plans.

But the lowest-end plan costs about the same as Netflix, and I have too many subscriptions in my life already.

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