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Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by tomp »

liminal wrote: post #420

I see a number of people here describing Parler as "unmoderated", but it turns out they do have extensive moderation [1] that they use to ensure ideological conformity in their posts. Then the most active users were paid for their content too [2]. This really makes it more of a propaganda weapon than a free speech platform. [1] https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1347939939120533506 [2] https://twitter.com/donk_enby…

Based on the screenshot you linked to, their "moderation" categories are "spam", "ads", "impersonation", "defamation", "nudity", "pornography", "illegal", "terrorism", "trademark" and "threat".

Can you please explain how they use that to "ensure ideological conformity in their posts"?

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by bzb6 »

syops wrote: post #462
whimsicalism wrote: post #435

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By that standard, Instagram is a propaganda weapon. It both: a. pays popular users b. Puts warnings on political issues, like statements that Biden's crime bill contributed to mass incarceration [0] [0] https://twitter.com/ben_awareness/status/1339293381625864195

You've made an argument that Instagram engages in some form of advancing certain viewpoints. You have not demonstrated that this is extensive and that Instagram enforces ideological conformity or that Instagram actively pays people to engage in said advancement of political agendas. There appears to be quite a difference between what Instagram does and what Parler does. The two do not appear to be comparable.

Get an Instagram account and say something against feminism, diversity, fat people, etc and see what happens.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by whimsicalism »

syops wrote: post #462
whimsicalism wrote: post #435

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By that standard, Instagram is a propaganda weapon. It both: a. pays popular users b. Puts warnings on political issues, like statements that Biden's crime bill contributed to mass incarceration [0] [0] https://twitter.com/ben_awareness/status/1339293381625864195

You've made an argument that Instagram engages in some form of advancing certain viewpoints. You have not demonstrated that this is extensive and that Instagram enforces ideological conformity or that Instagram actively pays people to engage in said advancement of political agendas. There appears to be quite a difference between what Instagram does and what Parler does. The two do not appear to be comparable.

> Instagram actively pays people to engage in said advancement of political agendas.

I haven't seen evidence that Parler's payments are specifically tied to promoting certain political agendas versus just being an influential poster.

> You have not demonstrated that this is extensive

Well, I've demonstrated it as convincingly as the user above who linked to a twitter post of someone just saying they have "robust moderation."

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by esc_colon_q »

yanderekko wrote: post #386
TomSwirly wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Republicans have a perfectly good voice on conventional social media. No one's censoring people on social media for quoting William F. Buckley, but for actively planning and encouraging a violent insurrection.

Most people being banned did not do that, including Trump himself, and in fact the rapidly-expanding domain of speech that is being pretextually construed of as "actively planning and encouraging a violent insurrection" is in fact a large part of the problem here.

Literally declaring yourself the winner of an election that you solidly lost and then repeating that claim over and over again as your supporters rile themselves up and prepare for violence abso-fucking-lutely qualifies. If the election really was stolen (it wasn't), then violence on a grand scale would be more than justified (it's not), so pushing a false claim to that effect when you have as much power to make it stick is one of the most directly violent acts that can be committed.

"This election was stolen" is way more dangerous than "Fire!" in a crowded theater because if the bullshit sticks then you actually end up with war.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by liminal »

tomp wrote: post #471
liminal wrote: post #420

I see a number of people here describing Parler as "unmoderated", but it turns out they do have extensive moderation [1] that they use to ensure ideological conformity in their posts. Then the most active users were paid for their content too [2]. This really makes it more of a propaganda weapon than a free speech platform. [1] https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1347939939120533506 [2] https://twitter.com/donk_enby…

Based on the screenshot you linked to, their "moderation" categories are "spam", "ads", "impersonation", "defamation", "nudity", "pornography", "illegal", "terrorism", "trademark" and "threat". Can you please explain how they use that to "ensure ideological conformity in their posts"?

In the tweet text it says "all new users start out shadowbanned until enough of their post get approved for rightthink by their user moderators"

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by mittermayr »

sanedigital wrote: post #380
VikingCoder wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to Wikipedia, there are 4,000,000 active Parler users. You think you can assert with confidence that there are not 40,000 people with Parler accounts who want mass executions? I'd like to think you're right, but I'm not as confident as you are. Not after watching someone beat a Capitol Police officer to death with a flag pole flying the American Flag. People think they are defending their country against ev…

The data is public now—if you're so certain, go find me a single post on Parler calling for mass executions.

Since a "single post" has been provided by someone now, it would be nice to see you give them the decency and acknowledge it. There are so many comments here, and they all read in the same way, "well, what about..." and "show me proof" — only for someone to actually go and spend the time to respond, and then be ignored quietly. Discussions here (political ones) feel so childish, I wish we'd be better as a community on those.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by jackhack »

shuntress wrote: post #288
NikolaeVarius wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes? I wouldn't work for Parler, but I fail to see how the phrase "free speech social network" should elicit some negative emotion. Parler sucks because they are a haven to right wing extremists, not because of their marketing. Its like being angry at Signal because their encryption allows terrorists communicate securely.

The description "free speech social network" is very heavily associated with far right extremists. Much like, for example, the gadsden flag.

if free speech is only for the enemy, I fear what victory looks like.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by InitialLastName »

jacquesm wrote: post #347
nilkn wrote: post #336

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And now there are folks right here in this thread who will assume the absolute worst about you and try to ruin your life. I wish you the best of luck in surviving this. This is why it's not reasonable to paint every account there as that of a terrorist.

Why would they? Because he did nothing? Or because he was 'present'? Accounts that monitor something are not going to run with the crowd in their act. See also: the historian who documented a lot of the mayhem on the 6th from inside the crowd.

I've been seeing a lot of people claiming to have been in the Capitol (with the crowd) in a "journalism" capacity who also seem to spend the rest of their time openly and vocally supporting the conspiracy theories and groups that led to the riot. I've become very torn between the dual ideas that a) it's important for people to be covering these things and b) by nature of a protest, those people being in the crowd are tacitly (or openly) contributing their voices to that movement.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by sdenton4 »

liminal wrote: post #420

I see a number of people here describing Parler as "unmoderated", but it turns out they do have extensive moderation [1] that they use to ensure ideological conformity in their posts. Then the most active users were paid for their content too [2]. This really makes it more of a propaganda weapon than a free speech platform. [1] https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1347939939120533506 [2] https://twitter.com/donk_enby…

This really is the rule, not the exception. Every time I've deigned to wade into conservative "free-speech" zones I've been booted out for ideological nonconformity.

Tolerance is a peace treaty: https://extranewsfeed.com/tolerance-is-not-a-moral-precept-1...

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by mickmars »

djtriptych wrote: post #224
swalsh wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I generally agree that information from here related to the attack is in the public interest. But this is going to also reveal people who had no part of it. I don't think it's fair to justify revealing innocent peoples data.

The rules are different when the democracy is at stake, as this country's history should have taught you.

The Roman Republic had that exact behavior of different rules in times of crisis. That landed them with Julius Caesar who refused to return his power, and that did not end well for republic.
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