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Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by googlryas »

pavanky wrote: post #246
howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #110

We are very fortunate to have the algorithms, employees & management of Youtube/Google watching out for us. We're not intelligent enough to view a video and decide for ourselves what is fact v. propaganda v. entertainment. Hopefully some day we will have the same protections the CCP gives its people with even more content moderation. Thank you Google - you're the nanny the American people and the world always hoped f…

You say this while half the country believes random people on Youtube and Facebook, refuse to wear masks in a pandemic that is killing people by the thousands. I was young and believer in open internet once (and still am mostly) but the society as a whole has underestimated how much people are susceptible to being deceived and the cost differential between spreading and refuting false information. I don't see this as…

So if that is the mental state of half the country - is democracy worth defending? Why not just ban wrong-think and come out and admit that authoritarianism is the best, since too many people are too stupid to make the right decisions?

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by nodesocket »

GordonS wrote: post #400

I don't like what YouTube is doing. But... What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly , ridiculously false), and has millions of people…

The fundamental problem is these tech companies are claiming to be fair 3rd party moderators of the internet and all media, but they are heavily biased. I highly recommend watching the documentary The Plot Against the President[1] on Amazon Prime. It does a very good job showing how the media does not report the facts anymore. I bet most people don't even know that the entire Trump and Russia ties / collusion were fabricated and proved patently false. The media decided to ignore reporting that, leading most people to think Trump has ties with Russia. It's dishonest and disingenuous and manipulating people to think a certain way and believe things that are not true.

[1] https://www.amazon.com/Plot-Against-President-Devin-Nunes/dp...

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by SamReidHughes »

skoskie wrote: post #423
GordonS wrote: post #400

I don't like what YouTube is doing. But... What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly , ridiculously false), and has millions of people…

I think you nailed it, but I want to reframe it just a little. There have always been limitations on free speech, especially when it presents a danger to others. That’s exactly what the talking heads are doing, and their speech absolutely should be limited. But as with so many harmful things, we humans tend to only be good at reacting to immediate threats while ignoring those that kill us slowly. Think dietary decisi…

Do you think YouTube should suppress Black Lives Matter content? They've inspired, you know, actual violence, with disinformation.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by Splendor »

YouTube removes content from their platform every single hour of every single day. Those of you who are upset by this action should reflect on why this is different than any other content policy or removal they perform. Just like those of you who are upset with private businesses requiring you to wear a mask have never been upset with a "no shoes, no shirt" policy. Stop hiding behind some supposed principles here. Just admit what is really bothering you here.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by ghthor »

donkeyd wrote: post #327

Holy shit, this thread is scary. Sure, there are some implications worth discussing based on this news. However, the number of people directly posting doubts on the election results is way more concerning and shows that Youtube might be doing a good thing in this case.

If you dont have doubts about this election, you've been thoroughly brainwashed.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by buzzerbetrayed »

that_guy_iain wrote: post #119
ryaan_anthony wrote: post #75

So who decides what is true/accurate? Is this action just related to the current election or will this extend to other "fake news" and elections in other countries? Covid news comes to mind.

The courts do? And so far they haven't produced any evidence and they get flung out of every court. On COVID, every country on the planet agrees. The scientists have spoken. The guy who thinks the royal family are lizards should not be considered even remotely reliable.

So we're only allowed to talk about what the courts deem appropriate? And people are ok with this? Screw that.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by throwaway262 »

UncleMeat wrote: post #467
singlow wrote: post #330

If there is to be toleration in the world, one of the things taught in schools must be the habit of weighing evidence, and the practice of not giving full assent to propositions which there is no reason to believe true. For example, the art of reading the newspapers should be taught. The schoolmaster should select some incident which happened a good many years ago, and roused political passions in its day. He should…

> some impartial account of what really happened We do see students, even at the college level, claiming that the high quality academic writing they are assigned in curricula is "liberal indoctrination". This method does not function because even the most well researched academic study of these topics can be simply rejected out of hand by students who have been fed lies about the very structure of education.

"Cornell University announced this week that its faculty has voted to change the name of the English department as part of a broader campaign to eradicate “structural forms” of racism at the university. The department will now be referred to as the “department of literatures in English.”"[0]

When the same people who draft the curricula are responsible for ridiculous stunts like the one above, it's hard not to be sympathetic to the students who reject them out of hand.

[0] https://campusreform.org/article?id=16112

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by SauciestGNU »

disgrunt wrote: post #438
GordonS wrote: post #400

I don't like what YouTube is doing. But... What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly , ridiculously false), and has millions of people…

> What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly, ridiculously false), and has millions of people believing his every word - he's personall…

The problem here is that objective reality is being politicized. There are two parties claiming to have won the election, and one of those claims must be false. But the partisans of the losing side are creating a parallel set of beliefs not based in fact, and creating a media ecosystem around those lies, and it is entirely possible for believers in those lies to avoid all truthful sources of information.

What's more is that the language used by the losing party is extremely dangerous. Just yesterday, the verified Twitter account for the Arizona GOP asked its followers if they were ready to die for the cause of keeping Trump in power. Disinformation does not exist in a vacuum, and it is being used actively to cultivate violence.

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