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S&P Dow Jones Indices to launch cryptocurrency indexes in 2021

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Re: S&P Dow Jones Indices to launch cryptocurrency indexes in 2021

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You can't really know how easy it might be for me. For example, if my name was Vitalik Buterin or Elon Musk or even Donald Trump, I could trivially create my own cryptocurrency and a lot of people would use it.

Creating a new cryptocurrency doesn't make Bitcoin less scarce. At worst your coin takes time and attention away from Bitcoin, and thus takes value. At best it outgrows Bitcoin, and grows the entire space. But that's like saying you could build your own alternative to Facebook by whipping up some corporate partnerships and venture capital. Go ahead, we'll see which one wins in the long run.

I did not say it would.

Re: S&P Dow Jones Indices to launch cryptocurrency indexes in 2021

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You can't really know how easy it might be for me. For example, if my name was Vitalik Buterin or Elon Musk or even Donald Trump, I could trivially create my own cryptocurrency and a lot of people would use it.

Sure - you can make another cryptocurrency if you want. That currency will not be bitcoin. Some people tried this before by branching off the bitcoin blockchain. That was called bitcoin cash, and it failed. Bitcoins, meaning not any cryptocurrency but just actual bitcoins, are scarce and will almost certainly remain so.

I never said it would be bitcoin.

Re: S&P Dow Jones Indices to launch cryptocurrency indexes in 2021

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You can't really know how easy it might be for me. For example, if my name was Vitalik Buterin or Elon Musk or even Donald Trump, I could trivially create my own cryptocurrency and a lot of people would use it.

But it still wouldn't change the scarcity of Bitcoin.

I did not say it would.

Re: S&P Dow Jones Indices to launch cryptocurrency indexes in 2021

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I’m enjoying sitting on the sidelines and watching people “invest” in a digital “currency” that you cannot spend, does not produce cash flow, and whose values are determined by other shmucks buying it from previous shmucks. What a time to be alive. No wonder the S&P 500 CAPE ratio is beyond the 1929 high. No one has any idea of what the intrinsic value is of anything. Investing in companies that don’t make a profit,…

> I’m enjoying sitting on the sidelines and watching people “invest” in a digital “currency” that you cannot spend, does not produce cash flow, and whose values are determined by other shmucks buying it from previous shmucks. Is that any different than a stock though? You can’t spend stocks, they don’t produce cash flow (ignoring dividends), and their value is what other’s are buying and selling it for. Just as I can…

I think Bitcoin has a promising future, but it is not like investing in stocks.

When you invest in stocks it is sort of like giving a loan to a corporation so that they can spend your money on growth, to create more profits, which allows them to become more valuable. That is why stocks are expected to continually grow in value over time.

Bitcoin might be many things, like a store of value, transaction network, etc., but it is not really a long term investment vehicle except maybe as an inflation hedge.

Re: S&P Dow Jones Indices to launch cryptocurrency indexes in 2021

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I'm enjoying sitting on the sidelines and watching people "save" in a fiat "currency" whose value is not linked to anything intrinsic, whose supply can magically be increased at the discretion of a few powerful individuals, and whose value has been declining relative to almost any tradeable assets. What a time to be alive. No wonder the M2 money supply is at an all time high. No one has any idea of what the intrinsic…

There are two ways to look at currency (fiat or otherwise): - Medium of exchange - Store of value Fiat currency has utility for both. If crypto was more widely accepted by merchants (thereby satisfying bullet point #1) then this certainly changes the game. But it's not. Comparing both in their current capacities is disingenuous.

Fiat currency as a store of value is plainly bad, not sure how you determined there is much utility in using it for saving. A US Government 10 yr bond currently yields 0.91%, and has been falling consecutively since its peak in 1981.

It is at the whims of whoever decides the interest rate.

Re: S&P Dow Jones Indices to launch cryptocurrency indexes in 2021

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I’m enjoying sitting on the sidelines and watching people “invest” in a digital “currency” that you cannot spend, does not produce cash flow, and whose values are determined by other shmucks buying it from previous shmucks. What a time to be alive. No wonder the S&P 500 CAPE ratio is beyond the 1929 high. No one has any idea of what the intrinsic value is of anything. Investing in companies that don’t make a profit,…

Bullish. HN has an abysmally bad track record when it comes to investment advice, from Facebook to Bitcoin.

Re: S&P Dow Jones Indices to launch cryptocurrency indexes in 2021

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Rattling off references to other asset bubbles only shows how little you know about those asset bubbles and undermines the credibility of your strongly held opinions on what makes an asset worth paying attention to. For starters, you should probably start over on whatever you think you know about the tulips. Primarily its relation to tulip derivatives and the spot market of tulips, and the government's role in the du…

I don’t know what you’re getting at. It would be like trying to better understand the microeconomic factors behind Beanie Babies. It’s an exercise in futility. They’re toys and they ended up being resold at prices that made no sense to the common man. Of all the endless knowledge that humanity produces, you have to ask yourself whether or not there’s meaning in pursuing topics endlessly. They’re flowers. This isn’t a…

Oh come on, I'll bet you that there were in fact numerous 500-level Topics in Economics courses on precisely speculative asset bubbles with tulip mania as a central case study.

Re: S&P Dow Jones Indices to launch cryptocurrency indexes in 2021

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No matter how much I read on the subject, I always feel like the true nature and complexity of money eludes me. I don’t mean to disparage your comments, but I believe they reflect a lack of appreciation for the magnitude of the subject.

I agree with you. I don’t mean to suggest economic machinations are trivial, but some of the comments in this subthread raise counterpoints that I think casually dismiss the original points.

It’s true, but hardly limited to this subthread. While I disagree with most of HN about cryptocurrency and economics, the discussions are significantly more considerate and studied than anything I’ve come across in my daily life. Even society’s proclaimed experts seem to have an admittedly limited understanding and predictive capability. At the core, economics are an expression of collective human desire and thus it seems it will never be truly rigorous.

Re: S&P Dow Jones Indices to launch cryptocurrency indexes in 2021

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Central banking as it exists in the US is designed to encourage spending. One person’s spending becomes another’s income. Having finite dollars and increasing demand leads to a currency that only increases in value. If an asset increases in value, there is an incentive to acquire it and not part with it.

No matter how much I read on the subject, I always feel like the true nature and complexity of money eludes me. I don’t mean to disparage your comments, but I believe they reflect a lack of appreciation for the magnitude of the subject.

Money is a faith.

Re: S&P Dow Jones Indices to launch cryptocurrency indexes in 2021

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I’m enjoying sitting on the sidelines and watching people “invest” in a digital “currency” that you cannot spend, does not produce cash flow, and whose values are determined by other shmucks buying it from previous shmucks. What a time to be alive. No wonder the S&P 500 CAPE ratio is beyond the 1929 high. No one has any idea of what the intrinsic value is of anything. Investing in companies that don’t make a profit,…

You don't buy stocks because the company "makes money" you buy stocks because the expectation is that they will make more money in the future than they are now. Also, stocks don't really produce cash flow either - A dividend drops the price of each stock by the equivelent amount. So if you get a 3% dividend a year, the stock price is dropping by the same amount. I will say, it is easier to quantify that Apple/Google/…

It's true that you would typically expect a stock to drop in value after paying out a dividend, but you would also expect it to grow in value after achieving increased profits.
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