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Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by RonanTheGrey »

valuearb wrote: post #261
erdos4d wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why is it scary that your computer checks for malware? It isn't just checking for malware, its broadcasting your app opening behavior to apple and anyone else who might be listening. > It’s not like Apple us building a database of apps you’ve launched linked to your address and social security number. You know this how? Seriously, I don't get why you would believe that.

Because Apple would not benefit from doing so, I’m fact could be hugely damaged doing so. They don’t have any significant advertising business. They don’t need to collect any personally identifiable information. They’ve promoted their brand by putting their customers privacy first. So why would you believe they would intentionally risk all of that here?

> They don’t have any significant advertising business. They don’t need to collect any personally identifiable information. They’ve promoted their brand by putting their customers privacy first.

Yes... now. Can you say that with certainty 10 years from now? 15? 20? Would you want an evil Apple 10 years from now having that? Or one that a 3-letter agency forced to collect it and they could never tell anyone because National Security Letter? Is that a bet you want to take? One you NEED to take? Is it truly unavoidable, sufficient to justify such a thing?

The best bulwark against overreach is to not create the capacity for it in the first place. Power will only ever do 1 thing, and that's amass more power.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by tshaddox »

Swizec wrote: post #419
tshaddox wrote: post #307

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> I'm puzzled that people are willing buy a computer/OS where (apparently) software can/will fail to launch if some central company server goes down. Maybe I'm just getting this wrong, because I can honestly not quite wrap my head around this. This is such a big no-go, from a systems design point of view. The answer is pretty simple: these problems are extremely rare, they don't last very long, and they tend to have…

As an Apple user of 10 years: I had no idea macos phones home like this.

That's one potential issue, if you have privacy concerns. But the real problem here is that there's a blatant bug in the phone-home code that causes apps to crash if Apple's servers have a problem.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by deadbunny »

bkovacev wrote: post #168
romanovcode wrote: post #117

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This has happened since forever on Mac, Windows and Ubuntu.

Can you please provide resources for Ubuntu?

I would guess they are referencing the Ubuntu Amazon search thing from about 5 years ago (IIRC)

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by ZacharyPitts »

This may sound hyperbolic. Oh well.

I was deeply considering one of the new M1 MacBooks last night, but held off on completing the order.

Now today, I can't use my computer for nearly an hour. And my daughter as well during school time... all because a remote server can't respond. I just do not find that acceptable for a computer I own to simply stop working because of remote non-response.

I am now deeply considering not getting a new m1 machine.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by sergeykish »

Symbiote wrote: post #451
phs318u wrote: post #420

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Speaking as an ex-Google user and an ex-Apple customer (still tied to Apple Music and iCloud for family phones), I'd compare Google to Russia - not particularly benevolent, a bit chaotic/random, citizens tend to shrug and accept their lot. Apple is more like Singapore, slick, seemingly benevolent, citizens honestly question why the rest of the world isn't run the same way. EDIT: I'd add another way in which Google is…

I like that. I think it makes Linux some sort of United States: users like the principles, but almost all use one of the 50 major implementations, which tend to have small differences. When defending any perceived shortcoming, they will point to a different implementation without the particular flaw, or argue that the feature is not only unnecessary but undesirable. Many outsiders are uncomfortable with the unwaverin…

More like their state fixed particular issue, some move a lot between states, some settled on their first place. Some live all life in a hotel, some build their own houses.

It looks scary for outsiders — how to choose state? Building own house requires so much energy and time, why would anyone do this? Just rent an apartment, maybe change wallpapers and door, bring appliances. Yes, sometimes owner moves switches, adds cameras, puts advertisement, forbids all but own groceries where he takes 30% cut, but apart from that life is good.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by yamrzou »

pgt wrote: post #390

A compelling way to enact change at large corporates is to vocally communicate when and why you are forced back into a buying position as a customer. Apple VPs who are listening, especially Craig Federighi - here is an early warning for you. The HN crowd may seem fringe, but they are living in the future. I de-Googled my entire life over similar transgressions by Google and several of my friends are gradually going t…

Thinkpad X1 Carbon.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by sroussey »

AngusH wrote: post #230
elmo2you wrote: post #202

Sincerely and without any intention to troll or be sarcastic: I'm puzzled that people are willing buy a computer/OS where (apparently) software can/will fail to launch if some central company server goes down. Maybe I'm just getting this wrong, because I can honestly not quite wrap my head around this. This is such a big no-go, from a systems design point of view. Even beyond unintentional glitches at Apple, just ima…

Apple, for some reason, didn't advertise this change very widely, so it isn't precisely an informed decision. Like so much of the modern security activity, it doesn't seem to be fully thought out, nor was the possibility of failure considered. Or maybe such failures were considered and then dismissed? I don't know.

It times out and the app runs, so the failure mode was considered.

They may move to edge servers instead of centralized datacenters now though...

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by mbgerring »

Symbiote wrote: post #451
phs318u wrote: post #420

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speaking as an ex-Google user and an ex-Apple customer (still tied to Apple Music and iCloud for family phones), I'd compare Google to Russia - not particularly benevolent, a bit chaotic/random, citizens tend to shrug and accept their lot. Apple is more like Singapore, slick, seemingly benevolent, citizens honestly question why the rest of the world isn't run the same way. EDIT: I'd add another way in which Google is…

I like that. I think it makes Linux some sort of United States: users like the principles, but almost all use one of the 50 major implementations, which tend to have small differences. When defending any perceived shortcoming, they will point to a different implementation without the particular flaw, or argue that the feature is not only unnecessary but undesirable. Many outsiders are uncomfortable with the unwaverin…

Linux is also like the United States in that you are in some sense free, but everything just barely works, sometimes things don't work at all, and there is no hope of many well-documented problems ever being fixed. If you have a problem, you are "free" to fix it yourself, on your own, without support.
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