My Resignation from the Intercept • Hacker News Board

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by StreamBright » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 8:41 PM UTC

donohoe wrote: post #430

karl11 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right that it's not how this works. Media organizations are not interested truth or accuracy of their stories, but simply how many ads and subscriptions the stories can sell. And that's not the say they are motivated by greed - even worse, they are often motivated by missionary-like zeal to promote a cause. So of course it would follow that they have no interest in publishing anything disagreeable to their rea…

>> Media organizations are not interested truth or accuracy of their stories As someone who works in media (not on editorial side but on digital), I can assure you thats you are wrong. Most media orgs have a log of rigor and fact-checking that goes into their stories. The editorial side is typically (not always in some places) shielded from the business pressures (for better and for worse). Its someone else's problem…

And this is proven by the countless won lawsuits against said media organisations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_2019_Lincoln_Memorial_...

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by vr46 » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 8:41 PM UTC

bachmeier wrote: post #20

"as a last-ditch attempt to avoid being censored, I encouraged them to air their disagreements with me by writing their own articles that critique my perspectives and letting readers decide who is right" That's not how this works. If the editor concludes that it's a garbage story dropped a few days before the election in an attempt to influence the election, you don't run it and then "let the readers decide who is ri…

The response from The Intercept:

https://theintercept.com/2020/10/29/glenn-greenwald-resigns-...

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by FpUser » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 8:41 PM UTC

gameswithgo wrote: post #127

bachmeier wrote: post #20

"as a last-ditch attempt to avoid being censored, I encouraged them to air their disagreements with me by writing their own articles that critique my perspectives and letting readers decide who is right" That's not how this works. If the editor concludes that it's a garbage story dropped a few days before the election in an attempt to influence the election, you don't run it and then "let the readers decide who is ri…

Greenwald has never operated in a way that concerns itself with the consequences of actions. The philosophy is "we report, freely, what we believe to be true and fair, and whats comes of it does not matter". I am personally torn on this kind of philosophy. Would that everyone was like this, but since they are not, surely there are times when too much is on the line to behave this way? He explicitly talks about this a…

>"But it is a bit weird that here we are again, on the cusp of another trump presidency, and Greenwald swoops in to Trump's aid, again. Not sure how I feel about it.But it is a bit weird that here we are again, on the cusp of another trump presidency, and Greenwald swoops in to Trump's aid, again. Not sure how I feel about it."

He does not owe it to anyone to support/be against any particular candidate. His task is to report. And if someone is inconvenienced by the truth it is their problem.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by hnmullany » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 8:42 PM UTC

He definitely needs a copy editor. Some of those sentences are clumsy af.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by captain_price7 » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 8:43 PM UTC

csa wrote: post #444

Whether he realizes it or not, Greenwald is a foreign intelligence officer’s dream. Regardless of the actual authenticity of the Hunter emails, stuff like this is fairly easy to plant. So even if Greenwald got it right this time (maybe, maybe not), I can assure you that he will get it very wrong at least once in the future by the hands of a foreign intelligence officer (assuming he still has an audience). Folks who a…

> Folks who aggressively advocate for the verification of authenticity of documents, especially digital documents, have a very good reason for taking the stance that they do.

And who are those folks? Liberal media? Didn't they publish that embarrassingly fake accusation against Brett Kavanaugh that he gang-raped Julie Swetnick? Didn't they claim mutliple times to find "decisive proof" that Trump (himself) colluded with Russians, only to be humiliated again by Mueller report?

It seems that the media's standard for "verification of authenticity" depends a lot on who, or what party is getting accused.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by rat87 » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 8:44 PM UTC

Nacdor wrote: post #407

gkoberger wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's fair to say it was the correct choice. It was a choice, and one he was allowed to make, but it was one of many options. You say "the liberal media no longer tolerates anyone who has the audacity to undermine their chosen narrative". Isn't that what I'm talking about? He founded the org. Do you think "the liberal media" got together and decided to censor him? Or do you think people just weren't buyi…

> I don't think it's fair to say it was the correct choice. It's absolutely fair and the Mueller Report proved Greenwald was right all along: https://theintercept.com/2019/04/18/robert-mueller-did-not-m... > it's not like he works for MSNBC or CNN. There doesn't need to be some grand conspiracy among liberal journalists in order for them to engage in the partisan censorship he describes. It's clear that most of them…

The Mueller report did no such thing.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by watwut » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 8:45 PM UTC

nimbius wrote: post #101

bachmeier wrote: post #20

"as a last-ditch attempt to avoid being censored, I encouraged them to air their disagreements with me by writing their own articles that critique my perspectives and letting readers decide who is right" That's not how this works. If the editor concludes that it's a garbage story dropped a few days before the election in an attempt to influence the election, you don't run it and then "let the readers decide who is ri…

>If the editor concludes that it's a garbage story dropped a few days before the election in an attempt to influence the election, you don't run it and then "let the readers decide who is right". Occhams razor: Glen Greenwald is one of the most respected journalists on the planet. the man is a modern day Cronkite. his character is beyond the pale when it comes to accurate journalism so it begs the question: What is G…

I don't know. I respected him highly after Snowden and I still think he handled it greatly. But then, I lost a lot of that respect mostly due to reading his tweet feed.

It mostly kind of ceased to be worth following and at times he seemed to be in perpetual rage combined with sort of "I wish this to be true so it must be".

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by sandwichest » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 8:46 PM UTC

bachmeier wrote: post #20

"as a last-ditch attempt to avoid being censored, I encouraged them to air their disagreements with me by writing their own articles that critique my perspectives and letting readers decide who is right" That's not how this works. If the editor concludes that it's a garbage story dropped a few days before the election in an attempt to influence the election, you don't run it and then "let the readers decide who is ri…

> "If the editor concludes that it's a garbage story dropped a few days before the election in an attempt to influence the election"

This is bordering on hyperbole.

1. Glenn Greenwald isn't one to produce a "Garbage Story," he's a credible journalist with a long history of dropping bombshells. He's dropped bombshells about both the right AND the left. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Greenwald#Awards

2. It's the job of the media to do exactly what you have alluded to within the last half of the statement above. All sides do just that every single election I've been alive, all the way up to election day. But this time, only one side is allowed to do it.

3. Glenn Greenwald is a co-founder of The Intercept and is provided contractual rights to editorial freedom.

The fact that this comment is the top comment on this thread is extremely worrying. This is censorship, nothing less.

*edit: removed hints of rudeness.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by nickysielicki » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 8:46 PM UTC

mcphage wrote: post #320

nickysielicki wrote: post #232

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> not simply a desire to "censor" someone they've worked with for years. This reads as though you're implying The Intercept existed independently of Greenwald. They didn't, he co-founded The Intercept . He ought to (and I imagine, he does) have seniority on any editor. I think it speaks volumes about him as a journalist and his journalistic integrity that he setup The Intercept as an outlet where he and his co-founde…

> He ought to (and I imagine, he does) have seniority on any editor. > His submissions aren't treated specially. It's not his mouthpiece. These two statements are contradictory.

No, they are not.

I am saying that while he is in a superior position at an organizational level, and thus has the authority to seize any responsibility he would like, he is noble for respecting the responsibilities he has delegated to his editors and not doing so.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by _pmf_ » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 8:46 PM UTC

bachmeier wrote: post #20

"as a last-ditch attempt to avoid being censored, I encouraged them to air their disagreements with me by writing their own articles that critique my perspectives and letting readers decide who is right" That's not how this works. If the editor concludes that it's a garbage story dropped a few days before the election in an attempt to influence the election, you don't run it and then "let the readers decide who is ri…

> That's not how this works. If the editor concludes that it's a garbage story dropped a few days before the election in an attempt to influence the election, you don't run it and then "let the readers decide who is right".

Except if it's about Bad Orange Man, right?