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Denying the existence of someone's mother is quite rude.
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Why is Apple acting like an asshole?
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Denying the existence of someone's mother is quite rude.
" Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead. " https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Can I ask what's "egregious" about my comment?
an I not say that my mom, albeit being older than me, does not need her son's protection from malware and certainly does not need Apple to tell her what's right, just because she's older?
Is ageism permitted on HN?
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And none of those companies thought the web app was good enough to eschew native apps on Android. Why is that?
Because they have the budgets to do both. That's why you're asking the wrong question.
Companies don’t just spend money because they “have the budget”.
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If the argument is that Apple is holding back PWAs, then there should be a lot of corresponding web only apps on Android that are forced to be native on iOS. The developers would have a web app anyway for the desktop so you should see a lot of apps that are PWA apps with iOS apps.
Why should there be? There are thousands of webdevs who weren't 'forced' to be native on iOS, because they don't have knowledge and budget to be native. You're asking the wrong question.
Whether there should be or not. The question isn’t why doesn’t every website have a native app. The question is if PWAs are good enough for Android because of its great support and not good enough for iOS. You should see a lot of companies doing iOS + Web instead of iOS + Android + Web. But that’s not the case. Companies have spoken with their budgets. They decided that it was worth the money to have native Android apps.
Could it possibly be that HN posters are wrong and PWAs aren’t good enough on Android either?
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You’re very much making this out to be more difficult than it actually is. If you’re a webdev throw a web browser frame in, or use react native, or just spend the few hours it takes to learn how to setup and app and push notifications and add a bullet point to your resume.
Not sure what I need a resume for. I'll probably never work for an employer and I think I'm a better farmer than a webdev. I know how to design and build things with my hands. I also know how to design logos, websites and other things. I can code and enjoy building and maintaining the network of websites I built in the past 15 years. But I feel I'm spreading myself too thin when I'm also learning to code in React or…
No you are not spreading yourself too thin. Each new language or framework you learn will teach you something you’ll use for the rest of your time programming. You may not remember everything you learn exactly, but it will help you carry conversations or know where to start should you be tasked to need those skills in the future. Also Google is your friend, you’re never going to know some language or framework so completely that you can verbatim spit out it’s docs and signatures without some reference.
The rest of what you said sounds pretty on par with the rest of the self taught programmers I’ve met (me being one of them).
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Why should there be? There are thousands of webdevs who weren't 'forced' to be native on iOS, because they don't have knowledge and budget to be native. You're asking the wrong question.
Whether there should be or not. The question isn’t why doesn’t every website have a native app. The question is if PWAs are good enough for Android because of its great support and not good enough for iOS. You should see a lot of companies doing iOS + Web instead of iOS + Android + Web. But that’s not the case. Companies have spoken with their budgets. They decided that it was worth the money to have native Android a…
Almost all smaller e-commerce websites don't have an app. They rely on their website + e-mail notifications.
Would they enable web notifications if it was universally available? Yes. Would they enable it just for Android users? Some do. Does this say something about the quality of PWA's? You tell me. You seem to be adamant that the web sucks, yet literally millions of companies are succesful on the web without accompanying apps.
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I can’t see it that way even if I try really hard. If you want to be ios14 ready I personally would be code complete a long time before yesterday.
You can't be code complete for something that dropped yesterday. Each beta build changes things.
You are saying that Apple introduced breaking changes between release candidates and general availability??? Serious question.
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The argument is not about market domination, but about money power Apple market is rich, it is the richest tech company, with the highest market valuation ever, one cannot avoid it So it's gonna drive adoption no matter what Like it did for Flash (right or wrong, they did it) I was writing web applications during the 90s, they were called intranets back then, IE wasn't bad, it was simply unavoidable And being unavoid…
So then write for all browsers, support what you can for each, and don’t promote Chrome anymore? If you continue to promote a one size fits all browser and the market moves that way then we’ll shortly be having this same discussion about Google. If you were writing websites in the 90s you should know this.
> So then write for all browsers, support what you can for each, and don’t promote Chrome anymore?
WOW
That escalated quickly
I never promoted Chrome, in fact I'm an old time Firefox users and in the 90s I owned a Netscape 3 gold license.
I don't write fronted software anymore, but writing for every browser means adhering to the standard
Apple has steered away more than any other vendor lately
So...
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But is it Apple's call? I mean, removing features of course makes software more secure I argue that disabling JavaScript would only bring great benefits to humanity
> But is it Apple's call? Yes, just like you’re free to never visit an annoying website asking to spam notifications you’re free to take away Apple’s decision making power you grant them by simply not buying an iphone.
> you’re free to take away Apple’s decision making power you grant them by simply not buying an iphone.
That's a very common argument
But it doesn't get any less stupid with time.
I never owned an iPhone.
Because I am an adult homo sapiens that can take decisions for himself.
But you should know that if a standard exists, and the standard has been approved by a consortium, a consortium where Apple is a very important member, they should at least support what they signed for, instead of forcing developers to go through hoops just to support their platform.
When Elon Musk make Teslas he has to put airbags in them, stop lights, front lights, safety belts, they must pass crash tests, because that's the standard, otherwise he couldn't sell them as cars.
So if Apple believe that the standard that they approved is too dangerous, they can make their OS more secure, instead of putting the blame on developers.