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Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by ffpip »

benhurmarcel wrote: post #324
ffpip wrote: post #191

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Remove Etags with the CleanURL addons. Just turn off everything else it does, if you only want to remove ETag. Clean URL cleans many links. No utm_source, no amazon trackers, no google/yandex changing links just right before you click it. It has adblock built in, so turn it off if you already have an adblocker. You can also do it with https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/netflix-party...

I wish CleanURL had a whitelist. It breaks a few websites.

What feature of Clean URL breaks the website? E-Tag removal?

Can you link a site here or report to https://gitlab.com/KevinRoebert/ClearUrls ?

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by Angeo34 »

Angeo34 wrote: post #304
zamadatix wrote: post #163

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Percentage wise adblock users or Firefox users total to about 10% of users so it really depends on the target user demographic to say whether or not you need to specially account that those users aren't being reflected. Coding tools probably. Game for a social website probably not. Also depends on the financial model, if it's primarily ad based then the group of users you don't have good ad data for isn't something y…

While that number may be true you have to keep in mind that more than 50% of global FF users are based in DACH and by extension the rest of German speaking Europe (i.e. Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Switzerland).

You are aware that 20 million users in a population of 80m total is way way way more than 30 million out of a 300m population?

It seems amazing how clueless people on hn are yet they post their middle class thoughts.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by llacb47 »

ffpip wrote: post #440
llacb47 wrote: post #215

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That will probably break google maps and many other things. Just add this: google.*##+js(set, rwt, noopFunc)

Hmmm.. I've been using Google Maps with that filter for over 6 months. What is breaking/supposed to break? I might have to remove the filters from all my machines.

I would just be cautious defusing event listeners on the entire google.com, better to make filters specific when possible.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by rladd »

danShumway wrote: post #393
rladd wrote: post #360

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Javascript is used by such a large percentage of sites that having it disabled is not a viable option for most people. The point of these by-default protections is that they are supposed to work for most people. Suggesting that someone techie can do extra stuff that most people won't do is not really germane to the conversation.

> is not a viable option for most people. Of course this depends on what sites you frequent, but you'd probably be surprised. I disable Javascript by default, I'd say 70-80% of the sites I visit load. An even larger percentage load with only 1st-party Javascript enabled. I do think excessive required Javascript on the web is a problem, but I also think Hackernews overstates this problem sometimes, to the point where…

By “the conversation “I mean the conversation about firefox adding default protections against tracking. These are not intended for hacker news readers or techies. They are intended for the general public. And that is what I think the conversation is about.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by zamadatix »

Angeo34 wrote: post #472
Angeo34 wrote: post #304

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While that number may be true you have to keep in mind that more than 50% of global FF users are based in DACH and by extension the rest of German speaking Europe (i.e. Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Switzerland).

You are aware that 20 million users in a population of 80m total is way way way more than 30 million out of a 300m population? It seems amazing how clueless people on hn are yet they post their middle class thoughts.

HN isn't the kind of place for your closing comment. Also you replied to yourself by accident.

25% is indeed greater density than 10% and bicycles have two wheels but neither has anything to do with making "50% of global FF users are based in DACH " anywhere near an accurate statement.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by AlchemistCamp »

zamadatix wrote: post #409
AlchemistCamp wrote: post #199

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I've run both Google Analytics and my own back-end analytics on the same site and found GA missing over 1/3 of my total non-bot traffic. Most of that traffic was Firefox.

Would be curious which site that was and if it falls into the target demographic stuff mentioned. Also to note the above % for FF share isn't just from 3rd party analytics anyways, places like Wikimedia report similar numbers. Different services different amounts but again, target demographic usually and not by much unless it's extremely tech niche or something.

The demographic is about 1/5 US, with sizable traffic from India, Brazil, Germany, Nigeria and Australia. It's mostly 18-45 and mostly male.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by Angeo34 »

zamadatix wrote: post #475
Angeo34 wrote: post #472

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You are aware that 20 million users in a population of 80m total is way way way more than 30 million out of a 300m population? It seems amazing how clueless people on hn are yet they post their middle class thoughts.

HN isn't the kind of place for your closing comment. Also you replied to yourself by accident. 25% is indeed greater density than 10% and bicycles have two wheels but neither has anything to do with making "50% of global FF users are based in DACH " anywhere near an accurate statement.

>but neither has anything to do with making "50% of global FF users are based in DACH " anywhere near an accurate statement.

DACH is not just Germany neither is it just Germany, Austria and Switzerland it's the German speaking world (and that isn't just DE, CH, AT, LU and LI either) Those reach nearly 30-40% of worldwide users go look it up yourself.

>25% is indeed greater density than 10% and bicycles have two wheels

Someone seems mad his useless comment got debunked. You tried to "well actually" while not understanding the irony of your own post.

>HN isn't the kind of place for your closing comment. Also you replied to yourself by accident.

That should be a reply of mine to you seeing you are literally just posting for the sake of posting after realizing your argument is beyond useless. Your post could literally have been "I LIKE SPAGHETTI" and it would have contained the same amount of valuable information as it does now.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by Angeo34 »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #382
sildur wrote: post #338

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I use buster. It fetchs the audio captcha and sends it back to google for speech recognition: https://github.com/dessant/buster

I tried it but the captcha told me my request looks automated. Any way to circumvent that?

That's the sad thing. We are getting to a point where software that would be used by malicious actors, is required by normal legitimate users because of how broken the web is.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by nnt38 »

rumpels wrote: post #422
stiray wrote: post #248

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Protip #2, for what cant be traced using conventional methods, they will use fingerprinting and those add-ons take care about most common methods of fingerprinting - canvas, webgl, fonts and audio: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/canvas-finger... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/webgl-fingerp... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/font-fingerpr... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-…

"They will kill fingerprinting and as a proof, " No they don't. But they help a little. Here are some of mine in my privacy browser: BP Privacy Block all Font and Glyph Detection Canvas Blocker Clear URLS Cockiebro Decentraleyes I don't care about cockies NoScrupt Privacy Settings Privacy Oriented Origin Policy Startpage ublock origin WebTRC Control HTTPS Everywhere And as a bonus, not really related: Bypass Paywalls…

> in my privacy browser

Why are you reinventing the Tor browser?

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by benhurmarcel »

ffpip wrote: post #471
benhurmarcel wrote: post #324

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I wish CleanURL had a whitelist. It breaks a few websites.

What feature of Clean URL breaks the website? E-Tag removal? Can you link a site here or report to https://gitlab.com/KevinRoebert/ClearUrls ?

I don't know which one it is, I'd have to investigate more. I don't have a Gitlab account yet.

One example is hey.com's webmail. With ClearURL messages are never marked as read.

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