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Re: Oppose the Earn IT Act

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Post by Tainnor »

MaximumYComb wrote: post #455
kube-system wrote: post #444

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Of course, from a physics perspective, lower speeds means less force in an accident. To take an extreme example, if we set a nationwide speed limit at 1 mph (1.6 km/h in kangaroo units) and enforce it completely, we might not have any traffic fatalities. What if at a 5 mph speed limit, one person dies in total across the entire country? Do you say that driving at 1 mph is safe and driving at 5 mph is putting lives at…

Higher speed makes all road behaviours riskier. I'm also from the Kangaroo states and while I know of not a single person who likes getting a speed fine I think the vast majority agree that having some speed limits makes things safer. Australia doesn't have the same cultural views as America with regard to freedom. We have high taxes, virtually no guns, heavily enforced traffic policing, etc. On the Wikipedia page fo…

In addition, hackers from the US probably tend to lean more libertarian than the general US population. By contrast, the hacker scene in e.g. Germany, while of course being government-critical, tends to lean more traditionally left

Re: Oppose the Earn IT Act

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Post by levosmetalo »

jay_kyburz wrote: post #456
bananasbandanas wrote: post #449

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Seems they are cherry-picking their cases somewhat. This graphic [1] shows a comparison of European countries with Germany pretty much in the middle. [1] https://de.statista.com/infografik/16765/todesfaelle-auf-aut...

I can't read that one, but I did read a few newspaper articles on the topic and it sounds like there is a lot of debate around the issue. I can imagine its almost impossible to take into consideration all various factors like road conditions, and local cultural issues, and quality of cars and everything. I'd also like to know how much the spend building and maintaining the unrestricted stretches of road, I would imag…

> But my personal view is that sacrificing safety so people can get from A to B a little faster is not worth it, and perhaps it's not clear whether or not speed is a big factor, but why risk it? Whats the rush?

It's not that simple that less speed equals more safety. Even the posted link shows no correlation.

Some people argue that speed in Germany is not risk, but a safety measure. German highways are already mostly overloaded with traffic. Decreasing the speed by introducing the artificial limits would effective make driving more dangerous because highways would be more crowded with drivers with less distance between, there would be more lane changing during driving, drivers will be more tired because of spending more time on the road. Also, driving at the uniform speed at the speed limit reduces awareness of the road conditions.

Another topic is that limit also works as a framing. On the road where limit is 120, everyone will tend to drive around 120, regardless of conditions. For the road without speed limit, people will generally drive 100 if that's optimal speed according to the current traffic conditions. And if it's safe to drive 180, why not?

Re: Oppose the Earn IT Act

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Post by teddyh »

apeace wrote: post #208

If you want to convince your friends they should support encryption, here's how I like to get past the "nothing to hide" argument. Imagine we're sitting at a bar, chatting. None of us have anything to hide. Then the government passes a law that all conversations must be streamed on Youtube Live, so an agent comes in, sets up a camera at our table, and starts streaming. We still don't "have anything to hide". We're ju…

That argument is good, and is an example of the type which Bruce Schneier makes in The Eternal Value of Privacy:

https://www.wired.com/2006/05/the-eternal-value-of-privacy/

Re: Oppose the Earn IT Act

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Post by teddyh »

el_dev_hell wrote: post #302
cortic wrote: post #269

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My nothing to hide argument is a little different; Nothing to hide is an incomplete sentence. Nothing to hide from who? Surly you want to hide your children from abusers and predators? Don't you want to hide your banking details from con artists and fraudsters? Your identity from identity thieves.. Your location from burglars, your car keys from car thieves or your blood type from some rich mobsters with kidney probl…

I like this argument. My normal response to "I have nothing to hide" is: "Cool, can I take a look at your browser search/reddit history?".

“My problem with quips like these – as right as they are – is that they accept the premise that privacy is about hiding a wrong. It's not. Privacy is an inherent human right, and a requirement for maintaining the human condition with dignity and respect.”

— Bruce Schneier, The Eternal Value of Privacy, https://www.wired.com/2006/05/the-eternal-value-of-privacy/

Re: Oppose the Earn IT Act

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Post by raxxorrax »

blintz wrote: post #3

I cannot believe that the one thing we have bipartisan consensus on is destroying strong encryption. I guess I’m biased since this is essentially my whole livelihood, but this is crazy, right?

Doesn't surprise me at all and it was painted on the wall pretty clearly in my opinion. It is of course a sad state of affairs. I think it shouldn't need to be mentioned but apparently it does.

Re: Oppose the Earn IT Act

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Post by MaxBarraclough »

cortic wrote: post #269
apeace wrote: post #208

If you want to convince your friends they should support encryption, here's how I like to get past the "nothing to hide" argument. Imagine we're sitting at a bar, chatting. None of us have anything to hide. Then the government passes a law that all conversations must be streamed on Youtube Live, so an agent comes in, sets up a camera at our table, and starts streaming. We still don't "have anything to hide". We're ju…

My nothing to hide argument is a little different; Nothing to hide is an incomplete sentence. Nothing to hide from who? Surly you want to hide your children from abusers and predators? Don't you want to hide your banking details from con artists and fraudsters? Your identity from identity thieves.. Your location from burglars, your car keys from car thieves or your blood type from some rich mobsters with kidney probl…

I like this. I'll offer a third approach, but yours might be better: remind the person that there are plenty of moments in normal life in which no-one is doing anything wrong, but for which privacy remains paramount. This doesn't take much imagination.

It doesn't speak to Internet surveillance directly, but it's enough to show that there's more to privacy than the desire to conceal wrongdoing.

Edit Also, there's a great 2007 paper on this kind of thing, 'I've Got Nothing to Hide' and Other Misunderstandings of Privacy:

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=998565

Mirror: https://scholarship.law.gwu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=...

Re: Oppose the Earn IT Act

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Post by searchableguy »

cgriswald wrote: post #329
felipemnoa wrote: post #320

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I don't buy it. We all do things that although not wrong we still wouldn't like to share with anyone. i.e. No person wants to be seen picking their nose, although everybody does it.

If someone believes they wouldn't mind being seen picking their nose, it doesn't matter whether they are correct in that assessment. You won't convince them using such an argument because they won't agree with your premise even though you're right.

I doubt most of them will agree to me seeing what they do inside bathroom.

Re: Oppose the Earn IT Act

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Post by raxxorrax »

wtn wrote: post #12
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #5

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Well, nsa mass surveillance and legalized torture were never repelled by any side. In fact, the patriot act has been prolongued 5 times, no matter the administration, and is still in effect. As a european, I don't see any party that actually have american people's interest in mind. Fighting for either seems so futile from here. Of course, we have similar problems as well so I'm not going to pretend I have a solution.

Some of the programs originally from the USA PATRIOT Act expired in March 2020.

Trump as savior? People would be shocked.

Re: Oppose the Earn IT Act

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Post by _pmf_ »

apeace wrote: post #208

If you want to convince your friends they should support encryption, here's how I like to get past the "nothing to hide" argument. Imagine we're sitting at a bar, chatting. None of us have anything to hide. Then the government passes a law that all conversations must be streamed on Youtube Live, so an agent comes in, sets up a camera at our table, and starts streaming. We still don't "have anything to hide". We're ju…

Woke cancel culture is a bigger threat to honest people than most governments.
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