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Post by bufferoverflow »

esperent wrote: post #372
bufferoverflow wrote: post #351

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That's blatantly false. How do you stop someone pointing a gun at the police officer without brutality? How do you stop someone attacking a police officer? How do you stop someone going for their gun? How do you stop someone going around shooting innocent people? etc, etc, etc.

Is there a term for the type of response that, instead of furthering the discussion, just tries to overwhelm you with questions?

So you can't answer 4 simple questions. So you pretend to be overwhelmed. Got it.

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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Post by darkerside »

evil-olive wrote: post #382
DoingIsLearning wrote: post #338

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As a complete outsider to US reality, to me looking in, it seems like there is a real issue of training regarding de-escalating techniques. US police forces seem to have a very short training which, as far as I understand is not centrally vetted by any federal organism? And considering the short training time it seems to be mostly focused on tactical and firearm training. Compare that with European forces and you see…

> US police forces seem to have a very short training Correct; some states have laws mandating training hours for barbers that are longer than that mandated for police [0]. > not centrally vetted by any federal organism As with many things in the US, these rules are mostly state-based (read: 50 different, often overlapping but also often contradictory systems) but with a patchwork of federal oversight. For example, i…

County sheriff is essentially a mini executive branch in rural areas, and I believe is often an elected position.

Thanks for laying out some of that context on Seattle PD.

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Post by shpongled »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #315
simonebrunozzi wrote: post #191

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Neither you or the parent poster explained what "Ba Sing Se" is. I quickly discovered that it is a reference to a city in "The last Airbender" [0]. I don't want to watch three seasons of it just to understand the reference. A very obscure reference might deserve an explanation to make the remaining 99.9% of the readers able to understand what you mean. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar:_The_Last_Airbender#Ba_…

Avatar: The Last Airbender is one of the greatest series ever made which also has the benefit that it can be understood by kids, so it's worth investing 3 seasons in anyway. I guess I'm in favor of obscure references, I think even if I hadn't understood I would think that must mean something really delusional.

I will second this. Even at 27, it's one if my favorite shows, I've watched it all the way through multiple times. It has everything you could want, with the side benefit of being incredibly wholesome and having a wonderful message.

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Post by deathcakes »

sethammons wrote: post #467
deathcakes wrote: post #397

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I would report someone in my company who attacked someone else with no provocation. Or murdered someone. I don't think this comparison is as good as you think it is.

Would you tell on your loved one, good friend, and/or favorite cousin if they attacked someone? What if you could rationalize what they did? What if you told on them and that meant turning your back on the rest of your family and them all shunning you, or hurting and harassing you? I think we need some massive overhauling of how accountability works in police situations and I think that will have to start with shit r…

Oh no, I fully agree with you - in a normal organisation that respects operating according to the burden of responsibility placed on it, reporting these things would be a duty. As things stand, it is seen as betrayal of the 'brotherhood' which is why it needs to be brought down.

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Post by swiley »

DeonPenny wrote: post #65

The fact that is even possible is insane. Imagine there being over 700 videos of pilots messing up in one month, 700 crane operator mishaps in a month, 700+ food poising by a chain in a month. The also imagine you believe there's no problem. This is Ba Sing Se levels of delusion for some people.

700+ food poisoning actually sounds doable.

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Post by jhowell »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #338
pjc50 wrote: post #278

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They don't see it as a mistake. In fact, there are plenty of commentators downthread who don't see it as a mistake either. Years of demonisation and propaganda has gone into supporting the belief that as soon as somebody steps out of line it's necessary to beat them back into line, or shoot them if they do not comply. It's no more a mistake than the millions of people in US prisons: it's policy .

As a complete outsider to US reality, to me looking in, it seems like there is a real issue of training regarding de-escalating techniques. US police forces seem to have a very short training which, as far as I understand is not centrally vetted by any federal organism? And considering the short training time it seems to be mostly focused on tactical and firearm training. Compare that with European forces and you see…

I'm not sure your interpretation is required or adds value. Those with first hand experience have been protesting for over 100 years and have been very clear. Law enforcement needs more August Vollmers.

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Post by GhostVII »

avivo wrote: post #17

One related issue, is that right now, in COVID times, unnecessary arrests, jailing, busing, etc. is in some abstract sense an application of potentially lethal force -- since enclosed spaces and close contact makes COVID transmission significantly more likely. It seems important to understand how much that is happening and where. If that data, in combination with protest size/type data is available, it can help us be…

By that same logic protesting is also an application of lethal force, since you are crowded in with thosands of other people.

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Post by Synaesthesia »

fareesh wrote: post #462

From what I understand, all of these people are breaking curfew and ignoring instructions to leave the area, and in some cases are acting belligerent when confronted, and this is happening at scale. Is the expectation that curfew is an order that should not be enforced in the strictest sense? From what I could see on the news, parts of your country were being burned down and looted by some rogue elements who used the…

A lot of the time the police are simply acting in an unreasonable way, it’s not like the make a request and then attack after it’s not been complied with, no they just run and attack with no questions asked.

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Post by GhostVII »

deathgrips wrote: post #173
vlozko wrote: post #133

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Very unlikely. Fireworks use against the police more common that you think. You’re just not going to see that many videos of them as it doesn’t help the narrative. A buddy of mine is a cop who had the unfortunate duty of being one of the riot police in my city and it’s not easy to keep your cool while having rocks, fireworks, and almost a Molotov cocktail tossed at you.

Don't dish out what you can't take. I've never seen an example of riots breaking out in a city before police instigate violence with rubber bullets and tear gas. Also, if he can't keep his cool under those conditions, he has an obligation to change jobs because if he can't handle it he's just putting other people in danger.

> I've never seen an example of riots breaking out in a city before police instigate violence with rubber bullets and tear gas.

Minneapolis was burning before the police responded, not after.

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Post by Izkata »

Lio wrote: post #458
dragontamer wrote: post #375

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Frankly... among my generation of roughly 30 year olds, I'd expect Avatar the Last Airbender to have higher cultural impact than 1984 (which was written in 1949). Most of us were forced to read 1984 and didn't really enjoy it. ATLA however, is something that we organically grew up with through high-school / college and actually paid attention to. My group of friends would be aware of 1984 concepts... such as "Big Bro…

Among your generation _where you live_ maybe. 1984 is a very popular and influential book. I fairly confident that if you asked the authors of Avatar The Last Airbender they would tell you straight that they’d based that idea on 1984. I’d be willing to bet people will be quoting 1984 long after ATLA has been forgotten.

Possibly routed through Babylon 5, where Earth and Mars were kept unaware of a galaxy-wide war that had been going for a couple years.
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