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Zoom closes account of U.S.-based Chinese activist after Tiananmen event

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Re: Zoom closes account of U.S.-based Chinese activist after Tiananmen event

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Post by p1esk »

a1369209993 wrote: post #309
kelnos wrote: post #154

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I can anticipate the counter-argument to this: "well, discrimination based on race and gender is illegal, so they can't do that". Which is true, but kinda misses the point: it amounts to a position that discrimination and censorship is ok as long as it doesn't run afoul of local laws. If local laws reflect the totality of ethical and moral positions, that would be fine, but I think we all know that laws tend to fall…

> Would you then call Zoom out as somehow evil for shutting down accounts that broadcast child porn live? Yes? Obviously? They should report the account-holder to the police - or, if the police refuse to do their jobs, to armed vigilantees - for arrest and prosecution (repectively lynching); if such people want to broadcast video evidence of their crimes, lets make sure to deliver their Darwin award ASAP. > So then i…

He said: “Let's say for a minute that hosting/distributing child porn wasn't illegal“

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Post by ernesth »

mushufasa wrote: post #427
freeopinion wrote: post #347

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Are any of the participants using Firefox? There's a known problem with Firefox's WebRTC and Jitsi wherein even a single Firefox participant can create performance issues for everyone.

I was using firefox. That's probably it. Does only Chrome work? Seems to defeat the point of FOSS...

It is due to a bug in firefox (some kind of feature in webrtc not being enabled in Firefox). It however works in FOSS browsers such as chromium.

It may be resolved now: the bugzilla entry mentions a patch: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1606823

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Post by mtgx »

ciarannolan wrote: post #8

I feel like the good faith presumption for this company has to have shifted by now. Is there any reason not to assume that the Chinese government is surveilling Zoom calls en masse? Documenting participants (face, voice, language, location, etc.), recording content, etc. We're talking about the data of 200M+ users. I see people on HN defending Zoom all the time. >The company has acknowledged that much of its product…

Now it makes so much sense that they said the free calls wouldn't be encrypted end-to-end.

But most people here bought the child porn excuse, so it is no wonder that it gets used to often when companies or governments abuse your rights.

Re: Zoom closes account of U.S.-based Chinese activist after Tiananmen event

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Post by sideshowb »

DominikPeters wrote: post #292

Article has been updated with a statement from Zoom: > Update: A Zoom spokesperson confirmed to Axios that the account had been closed "to comply with local law" and said it had now been re-activated. > “Just like any global company, we must comply with applicable laws in the jurisdictions where we operate. When a meeting is held across different countries, the participants within those countries are required to comp…

> Between the lines: This suggests Zoom closed the account due to concerns in China, which forbids free discussion of the 1989 Tiananmen pro-democracy movement.

But why close the US rather than close the Chinese accounts?

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Post by read_if_gay_ »

bananabreakfast wrote: post #445
throwaway8879 wrote: post #215

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One man's activist is another man's bigot.

There is a world of difference between being for something and against something and you are being very disingenuous (read: trolling) to conflate the two, Mr. throwaway account

> There is a world of difference between being for something and against something

They are the same. If you are for something, you're also against not something.

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Post by rorykoehler »

pfarnsworth wrote: post #281
ljm wrote: post #273

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In my workplace and from my perspective, I don't know how Zoom became trustworthy in the first place except through growth hacking and selling iPads with their software on it under the 'Zoom Rooms' name. Besides that, why defend a company or a corporation in the first place? It's a damn shame that people are more enervated by corporate strife than by the suffering of our fellow beings.

To be fair, Zoom is the best video conference software I've ever used. It's so much better than Skype or anything created by Google, Facebook, etc. When I first started using it at work 5 years ago, I was blown away at how stable it was, and how many people could connect at the same time. It just worked.

Teams is better

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Post by havfo »

st1ck wrote: post #407
longtom wrote: post #338

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Two comments recommending Jitsi. Suspicious.

Jitsi is pretty good. If you know a better FOSS tool for videoconferencing, I'd be happy to check it out.

Shameless plug: https://github.com/havfo/multiparty-meeting

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Post by vectorrain »

HenryBemis wrote: post #301
ciarannolan wrote: post #8

I feel like the good faith presumption for this company has to have shifted by now. Is there any reason not to assume that the Chinese government is surveilling Zoom calls en masse? Documenting participants (face, voice, language, location, etc.), recording content, etc. We're talking about the data of 200M+ users. I see people on HN defending Zoom all the time. >The company has acknowledged that much of its product…

> surveilling Zoom calls en masse? Documenting participants (face, voice, language, location, etc.), The first time I read that Zoom is the shell (in the USA) while the majority of work is being done in China, I thought the exact same thing. That China has everyone's face 3D scanned by now (multiple photos from multiple angles), everyone's voiceprint, everyone's IP, transcripts of what was said and by who... Now they…

"That China has everyone's face 3D scanned by now (multiple photos from multiple angles), everyone's voiceprint, everyone's IP, transcripts of what was said and by who" As a native Chinese, I haven't been scanned by 3D scanner. How do you get this conclusion?
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